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    Sensible First Cycle Feedback

    Hey guys, I wanted to get some feedback/recommendations on my first cycle.

    I am 30 years old, 5'10, 170 lbs, ~8-10% BF. My goal is to improve strength for olympic weightlifting. Being that there are weight classes for my sport, I am not looking to put on a huge amount of mass, but instead gain strength while adding about 5-10 lbs of lean mass. My current numbers are: Snatch 190 lbs, Clean and Jerk 240, and Squat 320. My goal is to add between 20-30 lbs onto all those numbers while maintaining a relatively light bodyweight.

    The cycle:
    Week 1-10 Test E 250 ml pinned every Monday and Thursday
    Week 6-10 HCG 500 IU twice a week to aid recovery
    Week 8-12 Anavar 60 MG ED(Note: I know first cycle is to see how test affects the body, so I'll only use var if I have no issues by week 8)
    Week 4-13 N2Guard ED for organ health
    Aromasin will be on hand if gyno symptoms arise

    PCT week 13-16
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    Clomid 50/50/25/25

    So what do you think? Any tweaks? Compounds I need to add or take away? Any advice is very much appreciated.

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    Not bad but,
    Get blood before see your normal baseline is.
    Hcg used throughout.
    Ai used throughout.
    Pct little light nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 75/50/50/25
    Stay away from var and save for next go. Eat really clean to keep weight down but your AI needs to dialed in to control bloat and other unwanted sides.
    Otherwise your good.

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    Also blood work 4-6 weeks after pct.

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    Thanks for the feedback. Forgot to say that I plan on doing blood work pre, during, and post cycle. From what I understand, the test doesn't shut down the HPTA until the end of a cycle. If I'm doing a shorter cycle(10 weeks), and I'm only taking test, do I really need to run HCG the entire cycle? Seems like running it the last 4-6 weeks, then doing PCT, would do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steiner1945 View Post
    From what I understand, the test doesn't shut down the HPTA until the end of a cycle.
    This is wrong pal.

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    Yeah as soon as the body realises there's too must test it will shut you down. 10 weeks is wrong buddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derekjpapa
    Not bad but, Get blood before see your normal baseline is. Hcg used throughout. Ai used throughout. Pct little light nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 75/50/50/25 Stay away from var and save for next go. Eat really clean to keep weight down but your AI needs to dialed in to control bloat and other unwanted sides. Otherwise your good.
    Cracking advice here though

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    Hcg 250 x2 a week. Didn't know if that's what you meant

    Drop the var. Test only first cycle. Otherwise if you have any complications you don't know which compound is the cause.

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    I'd add .25mg Armidex every other day into that cycle, throughout the entire cycle, and ending the day before pct.

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    I am about to start a test only first cycle with the same exact goals as you.

    If you do start, please post up a Log, I am also about to start my first cycle (Test only) to boost performance at Olympic weightlifting.

    Also 30yrs old and trying, or hoping to be able to keep close enough to 170lbs to compete in the 77KG class. The next class up, the competition is too steep, especially with lots of lifters being in their early 20's.

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    Cttoasn- will do.

    Thanks for the help guys.

    New plan-
    week 1-12 Test E 250 ml twice/week
    week 1-12 HCG 500 IU twice/week
    week 1-12 10 mg Aromasin daily
    Week 4-12 N2Guard ED for organ health
    Week 1-12 NAC 600 mg daily
    I want to have finasteride(Proscar) on hand to block DHT from affecting my hair. Anyone have a recommended dose?

    weeks 13-14- nothing, right? or should I continue HCG?

    PCT week 15-18
    Nolva 40/20/20/20
    Clomid 75/50/25/25
    Last edited by Steiner1945; 07-29-2014 at 01:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steiner1945 View Post
    Cttoasn- will do.

    Thanks for the help guys.

    New plan-
    week 1-12 Test E 250 ml twice/week
    week 1-12 HCG 500 IU twice/week
    week 1-12 10 mg Aromasin daily
    Week 4-12 N2Guard ED for organ health
    Week 1-12 NAC 600 mg daily
    I want to have finasteride(Proscar) on hand to block DHT from affecting my hair. Anyone have a recommended dose?

    weeks 13-14- nothing, right? or should I continue HCG?

    PCT week 15-18
    Nolva 40/20/20/20
    Clomid 75/50/25/25
    Stane should be dosed at 12.5mg twice a day every day week1-14, and taken with dietary fats (ex. fish oil, dairy) to enhance absorption. It is recommended to dose finasteride 1mg every day to prevent alopecia. You should also have blood work conducted pre, mid, and post cycle.

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    Double the NAC.
    I'd rather my hair fall out than use Finasteride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'd rather my hair fall out than use Finasteride.
    You must be married kel. As a single guy I reasoned that I would probably be having just as much sex if dutasteride caused me to have ED, than if my I didn't take it and my hairline continued to recede.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    As a single guy I reasoned that I would probably be having just as much sex if dutasteride caused me to have ED, than if my I didn't take it and my hairline continued to recede.
    The choices of life lololol

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