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    Do we really need to come off everything?

    Iím almost 50 years old.TRT dose is 150mg. That puts me around 700-800ng/dl.
    I usually run 2 cycles per year for about 14 weeks. Cycles are generally as follows.
    500 test E
    200 Nandrolone Deca
    200-300 Tren Hex/Ace mix

    Iíll run that for the entire 14 weeks and I feel really good. Joints are good. Strength is good. Sex drive is amazing. I look great too. I use 1mg twice per week arimidex and occasionally a caber if I feel I need it.

    When I come off and go back to only 150mg test I donít feel very good. Having trouble keeping up with the wife in the bedroom even while using cialis although she wants it daily and I know thatís not typical. I give blood about a month after to keep RBC in line.
    Maybe Iím just used to feeling like Superman.

    Would it be dangerous to cruise on 300-400mg test in between cycles if I keep blood count and estrogen in line? Do I really need to go back to the TRT dose?

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    Considering what you run on blasts, I wouldn't cruise @ 300-400mg, especially at age 50.
    Make sure you monitor your free T when you're on TRT dosages and pull labs just prior to your injection. Free T is what does the work. Make sure you monitor your SHBG, DHT, etc in addition to the routine panels for a 50 year old male.
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    question, is ur trt from doctor or UGL?

    150mg week and only 7-800 seems low for pharm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boner View Post
    Iím almost 50 years old.TRT dose is 150mg. That puts me around 700-800ng/dl.
    I usually run 2 cycles per year for about 14 weeks. Cycles are generally as follows.
    500 test E
    200 Nandrolone Deca
    200-300 Tren Hex/Ace mix

    Iíll run that for the entire 14 weeks and I feel really good. Joints are good. Strength is good. Sex drive is amazing. I look great too. I use 1mg twice per week arimidex and occasionally a caber if I feel I need it.

    When I come off and go back to only 150mg test I donít feel very good. Having trouble keeping up with the wife in the bedroom even while using cialis although she wants it daily and I know thatís not typical. I give blood about a month after to keep RBC in line.
    Maybe Iím just used to feeling like Superman.

    Would it be dangerous to cruise on 300-400mg test in between cycles if I keep blood count and estrogen in line? Do I really need to go back to the TRT dose?

    "Cruising" at 300 to 400mg test is asking for trouble.

    Add a bit of proviron to your trt, say 25 to 50mg per day, and see how that works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooseman33 View Post
    question, is ur trt from doctor or UGL?

    150mg week and only 7-800 seems low for pharm.
    I have been doing TRT through a doctor. He recently retired so Iím looking for another Dr right now.
    The test is pharm. Iím doing more like 125mg. At 150mg Iím probably more like around 1000ng/dl. He didnít like seeing it high. It was 1200 once and he threatened to cut me off.
    I do have plenty of Balkan test from a reputable source for cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    "Cruising" at 300 to 400mg test is asking for trouble.

    Add a bit of proviron to your trt, say 25 to 50mg per day, and see how that works for you.
    I have Proviron . I do use it for a few days occasionally to clear the receptors. Sexual sides are great too with Proviron.
    Free test is usually good on bloodwork.
    Iím doing bloodwork in about 3 weeks. Currently cruising on 150mg. Iíll see where Iím at.
    Maybe I donít feel bad. Maybe I just feel normal and normal sucks after 14 weeks of being a monster.

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    Not sure what part of NC you are in, but several hormone/trt clinics around the triad area that will prescribe you trt test. The one I use and go to doesn't care if my test gets 1200 or so unless of course I get sides, which i did. He keeps my dose prescribed at 175mg/week, but knows I'm only doing 100. So I have been able to play around with my dose to see what works best.

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    I cruise at 300 mg a week but im 39 and know thats on borrowed time. Id be a little leary doing this at 50 I would make sure you kept estrogen in check. I watch my bw closely my lipids run a tad higher than normal and I need to dump blood frequently due to high rbc. Will 300 kill you probably not you just have to be careful and watch your numbers
    I dont plan on running 300 for long term as I age I will eventually slow it down some

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    It's pretty convenient that your TRT doctor recently retired. But anyways 150mg should be more than enough test to "keep up with the wife."

    If you're still having problems and your gear is really pharmaceutical, I would look to other issues being the problem rather than just the dosage of gear. I'd get SHBG, free and total test, prolactin, estradiol, thyroid, metabolic panel, CBC, eGFR, etc etc trying to see if there is another cause for your problem. You shouldn't be needing 300mg of gear per week just to be able to bang your wife everyday.

    Maybe you just need an extra hour of sleep per night? Maybe you're under a lot of stress with bills and/or work? I would first try to eliminate all the other factors before considering bumping up the dosages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-boner View Post
    Iím almost 50 years old.TRT dose is 150mg. That puts me around 700-800ng/dl.
    I usually run 2 cycles per year for about 14 weeks. Cycles are generally as follows.
    500 test E
    200 Nandrolone Deca
    200-300 Tren Hex/Ace mix

    Iíll run that for the entire 14 weeks and I feel really good. Joints are good. Strength is good. Sex drive is amazing. I look great too. I use 1mg twice per week arimidex and occasionally a caber if I feel I need it.

    When I come off and go back to only 150mg test I donít feel very good. Having trouble keeping up with the wife in the bedroom even while using cialis although she wants it daily and I know thatís not typical. I give blood about a month after to keep RBC in line.
    Maybe Iím just used to feeling like Superman.

    Would it be dangerous to cruise on 300-400mg test in between cycles if I keep blood count and estrogen in line? Do I really need to go back to the TRT dose?
    In my opinion 300-400 is high for a long term cruise, Iím close to your age and I can say that for me 200-250mg Doctor regulated with HCG (which will help with sperm production) and a light dose of Arimidex @ .5 mg weekly is more than enough for gym gains and keeping up in the bedroom, however I will say that this was only enough for me after I quit blasting, if I were to use this protocol between cycles of test and tren I would feel exactly the way you described you feel, quite honestly I personally wouldnít go back to doing more just to be a little bigger, sex drive takes some time to get back, health takes some time to get back, feeling good on less takes some time to get back, but in my opinion itís time well spent. Just my 2 cents brother but I still rock a tank top with good sized guns and have plenty of fun in the bedroom, good luck my Brother. And PM me for the name of a good clinic that understands the specific needs of body builders if that will help.
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    Weíre all digging to a early grave


    How much? Well, who knows

    I stay on about 200-300mg weekly + other compounds. I just dropped my daily var of 30mg that I ran for about six months, due to my liver values crapping out < yet my MD didnít say a thing about shit BUN #ís. But, my cholesterol is more important - ooook

    Itís all personal preference. . . We all know some guys run a cycle year round

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    Testie, thatís whatís up. Great to hear you were able to pretty much maintain everything at a much healthier dose.


    OP~ I canít remember where I saw or read this, maybe Mike Israetel, but there apparently is scientific proof of the down regulation of receptor sensitivity when staying at higher than physiological doses for extended periods of time. So when you go to a lower dose, albeit plenty, the body is essentially less efficient at binding and using the available synthetic test. I always felt this way after every cycle, even at 175 mg/week. It really does feel like youíre on nothing for a while, at least for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Testie, thatís whatís up. Great to hear you were able to pretty much maintain everything at a much healthier dose.


    OP~ I canít remember where I saw or read this, maybe Mike Israetel, but there apparently is scientific proof of the down regulation of receptor sensitivity when staying at higher than physiological doses for extended periods of time. So when you go to a lower dose, albeit plenty, the body is essentially less efficient at binding and using the available synthetic test. I always felt this way after every cycle, even at 175 mg/week. It really does feel like youíre on nothing for a while, at least for me.
    100 percent my experience Test, it takes a while for those receptors to get right again and when you first go on that lower dose it feels like nothing, quite honestly it took me the better part of a year to truly get right but Iím so happy I did, at my age I believe Iíve done my last blast but what I will say is even though I didnít realize it I was letting the drugs do more work for me than my training, once I realized I wasnít training as effectively as I could I actually started seeing some gains again

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    May try daily Cialis....
    Daily cialis was the trick for me 10mg is good for plenty of spontaneous action and seems to provide a veiny pump in the gym for whatever reason a daily dose seemed to work better than an as needed dose for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Testie View Post
    Daily cialis was the trick for me 10mg is good for plenty of spontaneous action and seems to provide a veiny pump in the gym for whatever reason a daily dose seemed to work better than an as needed dose for me
    5mg a day is plenty for me. Im pleased with the results and much less side effects than v

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    5mg a day is perfect. so fucking cheap at pharmacy, why anyone goes ugl for it anymore is crazy.

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    If your insurance doesn't cover it, yet your doc will write it for you take a look at Cost Plus Drugs. It's Mark Cuban's site and items are dirt cheap. A 90 day supply of 10 mg Cialis is about $13. Shipping about $5. You just fill out a simple form and get it to your doc to send it in. Quick service too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooseman33 View Post
    5mg a day is perfect. so fucking cheap at pharmacy, why anyone goes ugl for it anymore is crazy.
    My PCP wonít do both, viagras & Cialis

    So, I still get generic Indian Cialis

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    so crazy how some docs do and some dont. my urologist writes me everything, this guy is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooseman33 View Post
    so crazy how some docs do and some dont. my urologist writes me everything, this guy is great.
    Oh, totally

    They just pull this stuff out of their ass


    My neighbor just went to his PCP - heís been getting viagras from me for a bit. She only would give him 25mgís - what a waste of $


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