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    wingsofazrael is offline Associate Member
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    1st cycle...help please

    after doing what i feel was enough research, i am ready for my first cycle. i am 23yrs old, 6'1" and weigh 224lbs at between 15-16% body fat. i want to add quality muscle mass, a decent quantity of it, and also try to decrease the body fat a tad. here is what i was thinking, feel free to leave me charred or help...

    weeks 1-8 test e or sust 500mgs
    weeks 1-5 mzl winny (50mg tabs) 150mg
    weeks 6-10 mzl var (10mgs tabs) 210mg
    armidex 1mg e3d
    PCT starting week 11

    anything there that could be improved on??? i can only run the test 8 weeks and deca stays detectable too long, therefore it will not be a part of this cycle. also is oral winny at that level gonna screw my liver very bad???
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    if you are positive you don't want to run longer, start clomid week 12 (3 weeks sus)

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    Pct

    should clomid be enough or should i use some HCG as well?

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    HCG is not necessary for that short of a cycle, why are you running for only 8 weeks?

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    um....i just posted.

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    i know, the refresh button screwed me and reposted my last reply somehow. i will have a drug test in early may that will be extremely comprehensive and i dont wanna take any chances with anything showing up. im not sure if they will test for steroids but i like to expect the unexpected as it usually becomes the expected for me.

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    might stretch it out a little...

    shit...i dont know i may stretch the test e/sust (which ever i get) to 10 weeks. it depends. id like to throw in some primo but its just too damn rich for my blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingsofazrael
    after doing what i feel was enough research, i am ready for my first cycle. i am 23yrs old, 6'1" and weigh 224lbs at between 15-16% body fat. i want to add quality muscle mass, a decent quantity of it, and also try to decrease the body fat a tad. here is what i was thinking, feel free to leave me charred or help...

    weeks 1-8 test e or sust 500mgs
    weeks 1-5 mzl winny (50mg tabs) 150mg
    weeks 6-10 mzl var (10mgs tabs) 210mg
    armidex 1mg e3d
    PCT starting week 11

    anything there that could be improved on??? i can only run the test 8 weeks and deca stays detectable too long, therefore it will not be a part of this cycle. also is oral winny at that level gonna screw my liver very bad???
    Go test e wk1-10 500mg wk 9-13 50 mg ed start pct day after winny.This is plenty for first cycle,go for quality mass.Just my .02

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    it is expensive to test for steroids , so i doubt they will.

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    wingsofazrael is offline Associate Member
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    cool cool, bro. any and all suggestions most welcome.

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    definately run the test for 10 weeks

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    at least....and since this is your first, i would run test by itself, but its up to you.

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