Need Help Guys!!! Still Messed Up!!!

**Mikey81** · 03-07-2004, 05:45 PM

Allright fellas, here's the deal: I'm so ****ing moron that I cannot still decide what to do: after I did a research I have come up with some ideas here:

Ex.1

1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg
1-10 Deca Durabolin 400mg
1-14 Nolvadex 20mg ED
15-17 PCT Clomid 300/100/50

Ex.2

1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg
1-10 Deca Durabolin 400mg
1-4 Dbol 30mg
1-14 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Ex.3

1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg
1-10 Deca Durabolin 400mg
6-13 Fina 75mg ED
1-14 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Bromocriptine 1.25mg BID don't know for how long?
Finasteride ??? same thing

Ex.4

1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg
1-10 Deca Durabolin 400mg
8-13 Winstrol Depot 50mg EOD or 9-14???
1-14 Nolvadex 20mg ED

My stats are as follows: 6'2" 205lbs 17% bf

The questions are:

I've been lazy as **** recently, I just need to get my ass on the roids again. Nevermind that'd be my 3rd cycle. Firstly, I want to shed those nasty 17% of fat with Clen right now, right away - just eating as clean as I can and doing cardio 2 hours a day! 5 days a week! Secondly, I want to gain as much solid muscle mass as possible! With no water bloat!

1) Is it OK to do the Clen right before bulking for 8 weeks to lose 5-6% of bf, or just forget it and do the bulking? I want to reach 11-12% before bulking!

2) Which of these cycles above shall I choose? I want the biggest solid, freaky and keepable muscle mass!!!

3) Shall I keep the Fina to do the cutter or include it in a bulker?!

4) Shall I run finasteride and for how long?

5) How about running Clen during the cycle for better cuts - can sound stupid but I think you got my point - I want to stay about 13-14% bf afterwards! Ohhh, the less, the better, he he!!! Is this a good thing to run a Clen while bulking?

6) One more thing: how about diet? If my daily calorie intake is 3500 for just keeping size just add 500 or go super high even up to 5000-5500? I'm messed up with diet while on Fina: I want to trim that new mass at the end of a cycle - so what do you propose bros? Winny/Fina? And do I need to reduce the calories at the end of cycle to get that shreded look?

I would appreciate your input very, very much!

PEACE!!!

P.S. I know I may draw the fire or I already did but still want to get the help from you!

**Mikey81** · 03-07-2004, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by whiteykauai

do some more research, there are a ton of mistakes on all of your cycles

Why do you say so, I think they're OK, I run the test 2 weeks more than Deca that's it...

I could do 1-11 Test, 1-10 Deca. But then it's easier with Clomid.
I use Nolva only, can add l'dex 0.25mg ED

I'm not sure which one to go with, cause my budget is low, otherwise I would know what to do!

**dumblucky** · 03-07-2004, 08:02 PM

most guys are runnin HCG in a deca cycle

**Mikey81** · 03-08-2004, 06:56 AM

So anyone, any recommendations? C'mon!!!

**scottninpo** · 03-08-2004, 07:06 AM

you have to make some choices, do you want to cut or to bulk, and with a cycle that short, you can do one or the other not both

**Mikey81** · 03-08-2004, 07:32 AM

Thanx Scott, I'm going for quality mass that's what I'm looking for, it's just that I want to cut up with Clen before bulking to have 13-14% afterwards - LBM that's what I'm interested in!

So in your opinion I should go this way, right?

1-13 Test Enanthate 500mg
1-12 Deca Durabolin 400mg
8-15 Finaplix 75mg ED
1-4 Dbol 30mg ED or 1-3 Propionate 100mg ED
16-18 PCT Clomid
1-18 Arimidex 0.25mg ED

Is taht OK with you?! Won't be bothering you guys anymore!

Can I take the Clen for the last 8 weeks while bulking. I was targeting for Lean Body Mass with low water retention! THX!

**scottninpo** · 03-08-2004, 07:33 AM

one more question, what's your cycle history?

**Mikey81** · 03-08-2004, 07:38 AM

I did Omnadren Dbol cycles before that's why I'm always dissapointed with the results - lots of water blow and the gains are like s...t.

Man it was all about cash back those days. I'm not a US citizen but I was getting Dbol for as low as $5 for 100 tabs. Deca is about same thing for 200mg/2ml.

But now I want to put some seroius and keepable mass onto my body. I did lots of mistakes back in those days - now I'm little smarter, he he!

If you just gave your 3 cent, I'd appreciate very much. Don't wanna do that stupid mistakes again. Peace!

***SV-1*** · 03-08-2004, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mikey81

1-13 Test Enanthate 500mg
1-12 Deca Durabolin 400mg
8-15 Finaplix 75mg ED
1-4 Dbol 30mg ED or 1-3 Propionate 100mg ED
16-18 PCT Clomid
1-18 Arimidex 0.25mg ED

I see lots of problems.

**scottninpo** · 03-08-2004, 07:45 AM

if you want quality, keepable gains without bloat, you need to forget about deca and get some eq, it's cheaper than deca, gives you quality, keepable gains, without bloating you, here's a great cycle:

1-13 test e 500mg
1-12 eq 400mg
10mg nolva ED
.25mg ldex ED

PCT 2 weeks after last shot of test
days 1-21 20mg nolva ED
day 1 clomid 300mg
day 2-11 clomid 100mg
day 12-21 clomid 50mg

DO NOT start the cycle until you have everything you need in your possession! that includes all your anti e's and PCT!
if you can't afford everything right now, just wait a while and save up, it's not worth taking a risk with your health to save a buck

**scottninpo** · 03-08-2004, 07:46 AM

if you want to jumpstart, forget the dbol and add some prop like this, and get enough for the end too:

1-4 test prop 75mg ED
14 -15 test prop 75mg ED

**Bartleby** · 03-08-2004, 07:47 AM

I like Scotts cycle a lot....it is simple and a very effective cycle, also do not run fina and deca in the same cycle or you leave yourself at a high risk for progesaterone gyno....

**Mikey81** · 03-08-2004, 07:49 AM

THX, Scott you now EQ is the way to go, but the reason I don't want to use this one is because of teratogenic prioperties. Genes mutation and you can have problems with you grandchildren! I love EQ for what I've heard from my buddies but this just scares the s..t out of me!!! But THX anyway!

**scottninpo** · 03-08-2004, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Mikey81

THX, Scott you now EQ is the way to go, but the reason I don't want to use this one is because of teratogenic prioperties. Genes mutation and you can have problems with you grandchildren! I love EQ for what I've heard from my buddies but this just scares the s..t out of me!!! But THX anyway!

it's not going to make your genes mutate, dude, don't worry about that, besides, you run the risk of getting deca dick with the deca and instead of having little mutants as grandkids, you won't even get the chance!

**Mikey81** · 03-08-2004, 08:15 AM

Scott I believe you know what you're saying. A lot of people are scarying me saying: "Dude forget the EQ it's gonna affect on your kids." But if you're saying I don't have to worry about this I'll give the EQ a try! Hope it's nothing gonna happen!

THX a lot, dude, I just needed some advice/assurance!

After I complete that waht you reccomend me I'll go with a cutter like this:

1-8 Fina 75mg ED
1-8 Prop 100mg ED

Hope this'll work.

Thanks a lot!