UFC fans vs. PRIDE fans

[davinci191]

my take on why the UFC has become so bad is because the fans want brutal knock outs, lots of blood, basically just a brawl, which is a shame because the sport is so much more than that. you see recognition of that with pride fans. example when it go's to the ground the fans arent pissed, they understand BJJ and respect the art and skill it takes to defend and set up a submission. thats what impresses the japanese fans. During a pride event it's wisper quiet opposed to a bunch of drunk fools. If American fans could reach that level of respect I think we would see a higher caliber UFC. IMO

[groundandpoundpwr21]

Agreed. I remember the old ufc where people jsut came to get drunk and fight in the crowd. Its a little better now, but you just have a bunch of celebs that got free tickets. Pride crowd, people raised around martial arts that have respect.

[sonar1234]

Pride puts out better matchups then UFC, thats the cause of all this shit.

[USfighterFC]

The cause of it all is most american/ UFC fans love knockouts and dont know jack shit about ground game or submissions or what a good grappling match is. Do you think that American fans would've appreciated a Sakuraba/ Carlos Newton fight like the Japanese fans did? Hell no

[J.S.N.]

that's bad enough but it's even worse that dana white is trying to save money by manufacturing big names via the TUF show. that's gonna bite him in the ass in the long run.

[davinci191]

The cause of it all is most american/ UFC fans love knockouts and dont know jack shit about ground game or submissions or what a good grappling match is. Do you think that American fans would've appreciated a Sakuraba/ Carlos Newton fight like the Japanese fans did? Hell no

well im glad you guys agree with me! The Japanese are a respectful and well educated people. And what really kills me is when we get a washed up bum like Phill Baroni going over there and degrading there culture while representing the United States on the biggest fight platform. Its just another blemish to the U.S.A.! I like to see respect and class as I think most of you that replied to my thread do.

[groundandpoundpwr21]

Speeaking of ground fights being bashed, I forget the board name. But people were bashing the hell out of diego sanchez and nick diaz. I though it was a great technical fight. quick but technical

[Billy_Bathgate]

The cause of it all is most american/ UFC fans love knockouts and dont know jack shit about ground game or submissions or what a good grappling match is. Do you think that American fans would've appreciated a Sakuraba/ Carlos Newton fight like the Japanese fans did? Hell no

ya exactly, i think UFC has too many WWE fans.

[sooners04]

Didn't Chuck Liddel fight a few pride fights and got his butt knocked out? Then I heard there is some japanese guy who is kicking everyone's arse and has beat all but Rixen Gracie.

[davinci191]

Didn't Chuck Liddel fight a few pride fights and got his butt knocked out? Then I heard there is some japanese guy who is kicking everyone's arse and has beat all but Rixen Gracie.

here is chuck's record.


Win Jeremy Horn TKO UFC 54-Boiling Point 8/20/2005 4 2:46
Win Randy Couture KO (Punches) UFC 52-Couture vs Liddell 2 4/16/2005 1 2:06
Win Vernon White KO (Punch) UFC 49-Unfinished Business 8/21/2004 1 4:05
Win Tito Ortiz KO (Punches) UFC 47-It's On 4/2/2004 2 0:38
Loss Quinton Jackson TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003 2 3:10
Win Alistair Overeem KO (Strikes) PRIDE-Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 3:09
Loss Randy Couture TKO (Punches) UFC 43-Meltdown 6/6/2003 3 2:39
Win Renato Sobral KO (Head Kick) UFC 40-Vendetta 11/22/2002 1 2:55
Win Vitor Belfort Decision (Unanimous) UFC 37.5-As Real As It Gets 6/22/2002 3 5:00
Win Amar Suloev Decision (Unanimous) UFC 35-Throwdown 1/11/2002 3 5:00
Win Murilo Bustamante Decision (Unanimous) UFC 33-Victory in Vegas 9/28/2001 3 5:00
Win Guy Mezger KO (Punch) PRIDE 14-Clash of the Titans 5/27/2001 2 2:21
Win Kevin Randleman KO (Punches) UFC 31-Locked & Loaded 5/4/2001 1 1:18
Win Jeff Monson Decision UFC 29-Defense of the Belts 12/16/2000 3 5:00
Win Steve Heath KO (Kick to the Head) IFC WC 9-Warriors Challenge 9 7/18/2000 2 5:39
Win Paul Jones TKO (Strikes) UFC 22-There Can Be Only One Champion 9/24/1999 1 3:53
Win Kenneth Williams Submission (Rear Naked Choke) NG 11-Neutral Grounds 11 3/31/1999 0
Loss Jeremy Horn TKO (Arm Triangle Choke) UFC 19-Ultimate Young Guns 3/5/1999 1 12:00
Win Jose Landi-Jons Decision (Unanimous) IVC 6-The Challenge 8/23/1998 1 30:00
Win Noe Hernandez Decision UFC 17-Redemption 5/15/1998 1 12:00

[davinci191]

Then I heard there is some japanese guy who is kicking everyone's arse and has beat all but Rixen Gracie.[/QUOTE]

I would guess you are speaking of Takanori Gomi but rixen hasnt had a fight since 2000. but gomi is my pick for the N.Y.E. show aginst sakari.

here is gomi's impressive record!!!!!


Win Luiz Azeredo Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE-Bushido 9 9/25/2005 2 5:00
Win Tatsuya Kawajiri Submission (Rear Naked Choke) PRIDE-Bushido 9 9/25/2005 1 7:42
Win Jean Silva Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE-Bushido 8 7/17/2005 2 5:00
Win Luiz Azeredo KO (Punches) PRIDE-Bushido 7 5/22/2005 1 3:46
Win Jens Pulver KO (Punch) PRIDE-Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 1 6:21
Win Charles Bennett Technical Submission (Kimura) PRIDE-Bushido 5 10/14/2004 1 5:52
Win Fabio Mello TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Bushido 4 7/19/2004 1 8:07
Win Ralph Gracie TKO (Knees) PRIDE-Bushido 3 5/23/2004 1 0:06
Win Jadson Costa TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Bushido 2 2/15/2004 1 4:55
Loss B.J. Penn Submission (Rear Naked Choke) ROTR 4-Rumble on the Rock 4 10/10/2003 3 2:35
Loss Joachim Hansen Decision (Majority) Shooto 2003-8/10 in Yokohama Gymnasium 8/10/2003 3 5:00
Win Nick Ertl Submission (Armbar) Shooto 2003-2/23 in Korakuen Hall 2/23/2003 1 4:59
Win Dokonjonosuke Mishima TKO (Punches) Shooto-2002 Year-End Show 12/14/2002 2 0:52
Win Chris Brennan Decision (Unanimous) Shooto-Treasure Hunt 10 9/16/2002 3 5:00
Win Leonardo Santos Decision (Majority) Shooto-Treasure Hunt 7 6/29/2002 3 5:00
Win Rumina Sato Decision (Unanimous) Shooto-To The Top Final Act 12/16/2001 3 5:00
Win Ryan Bow Decision (Unanimous) Shooto-R.E.A.D. 12 11/12/2000 3 5:00
Win Paul Rodriguez Decision (Unanimous) Shooto-R.E.A.D. 6 7/16/2000 3 5:00
Win Anderson Pavao Decision (Unanimous) Shooto-R.E.A.D. 3 4/2/2000 3 5:00
Win Johnny Eduardo Submission (Rear Naked Choke) VTJ 1999-Vale Tudo Japan 1999 12/11/1999 3 1:43
Win Stephen Palling Submission (Rear Naked Choke) SB 12-SuperBrawl 12 6/1/1999 1 3:06
Win Takuya Kuwabara Decision (Unanimous) Shooto-Renaxis 1 3/28/1999 3 5:00
Win Kazumichi Takada TKO (Punches) Shooto-DEVILOCK Fighters 1/15/1999 2 3:42
Win Hiroshi Tsuruya Decision (Unanimous) Shooto-Las Grandes Viajes 6 11/27/1998 2 5:00

[USfighterFC]

first off its rickson gracie not rixen, second he is most likely talking about Kazushi Sakuraba aka "The Gracie Hunter" since he has beaten every single Gracie he has faced including royce after a 90 minute match. and number three is sakurai not sakari

[Panzerfaust]

Yeah, i firs started training with Rickson back in 1999...you are mentioning Sakuraba..he is the Japanese fighter that owned the whole Gracie family and Rickson does'nt have the cajones to step up and never will. Nothing to discuss though as it is all ancient history now.

My GP Pics are:

Silva
Gomi
CroCop
Fedor
Hendo
Saku
Thompson
Alex
Kikuta

3 more but can't remember them right now...

[USfighterFC]

mine are pretty much the same