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    Cardio before or after a meal when I wake up?

    I hear it's bad to do cardio after you wake up before Breakfast? Everyone I talk with says eat breakfast and wait two hours before any exercise. I see allot of people on this board wakes up and does cardio before they eat. What the story of doing cardio on a empty stomach??

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    early morning cardio on an empty stomach is a staple for fat loss for a lot of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305GUY
    early morning cardio on an empty stomach is a staple for fat loss for a lot of people.

    What about muscle? I could lose muscle faster, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaidenOnslaught
    What about muscle? I could lose muscle faster, right?
    Just stay between 65%-75% of your MHR for 45-60 minutes and you'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaidenOnslaught
    I hear it's bad to do cardio after you wake up before Breakfast?
    Is that a statement or are you asking us what you hear?

    If it's the former, who do you "hear" this from? Whoever these people are, I take it their strongpoints are not fitness/nutrition.

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    OK dont flame me on this. But what's MHR? And what's happens if I go beyond 75%

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    maximum heart rate, you risk crossing the aerobic threshold, which will switch your body from utilizing primarily fats as energy to primarily glycogen. Fat need to be oxidized to be used, you need to do lower intensity cardio so you porvide you body with enough oxygen. Hence the meaning of Aerobic "with oxygen"

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    OK so when I wake up in the morning, the first thing I should do a the stationary bike for 45 minute. But dont go nuts

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    Many drink coffee or take an ECA 10-15 minutes before embarking upon the said cardio session. Perhaps this is something you'd want to adopt as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleCat
    Many drink coffee or take an ECA 10-15 minutes before embarking upon the said cardio session. Perhaps this is something you'd want to adopt as well.

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    drinking coffee before morning cardio is ok? woud that be just as effective as an empty stomach?

    having like a cup of black coffee?

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    Yeah, nothing wrong w/that at all. I drink my big ass cup with some creamer and splenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleCat
    Yeah, nothing wrong w/that at all. I drink my big ass cup with some creamer and splenda.

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    I've just started drinking a double espresso before morning cardio.Talk about a kick in the ass in the morning

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    I make sure I take plenty of BCAA's before I run to protect the muscles. Try drinking 50 grams of whey before you run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwig
    I make sure I take plenty of BCAA's before I run to protect the muscles. Try drinking 50 grams of whey before you run.
    save you money on the bcaas as the muscle is already"protected" , and do not advise people to drink whey before they run

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaidenOnslaught
    I hear it's bad to do cardio after you wake up before Breakfast? Everyone I talk with says eat breakfast and wait two hours before any exercise. I see allot of people on this board wakes up and does cardio before they eat. What the story of doing cardio on a empty stomach??
    You know what? I think Johan posted a link about this...About how you shouldnt run on an empty stomache. I'll look for it..Apparently it's not going to make or break anything because there are many people who do indeed run first thing in the morning (Swole) and looking at Swole, I wouldnt argue. Maybe if your a hardgainer this might be something to steer clear of. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Tiger_
    You know what? I think Johan posted a link about this...About how you shouldnt run on an empty stomache. I'll look for it..Apparently it's not going to make or break anything because there are many people who do indeed run first thing in the morning (Swole) and looking at Swole, I wouldnt argue. Maybe if your a hardgainer this might be something to steer clear of. Just a thought.

    i doubt very much it was johan who posted that link
    i have discussed cardio before breaky with johan before and he has never said that he was against it

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    Your right!!!! it wasnt Johan lol but I read some of the responses and it sounds like Swole Cat and a bunch of others say that the only reason cardio when you wake up on an empty stomache wouldnt work is if you dont know how to eat the rest of the day..so take that into consideration I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Tiger_
    Your right!!!! it wasnt Johan lol but I read some of the responses and it sounds like Swole Cat and a bunch of others say that the only reason cardio when you wake up on an empty stomache wouldnt work is if you dont know how to eat the rest of the day..so take that into consideration I guess

    sounds about right

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Tiger_
    Apparently it's not going to make or break anything because there are many people who do indeed run first thing in the morning (Swole) and looking at Swole, I wouldnt argue.
    I never run for cardio, ever. Running on empty is a sure way to lose lean muscle mass.

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    I never run for cardio, ever. Running on empty is a sure way to lose lean muscle mass.
    I don't even like the word run or running, walk is so much better!

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    Yeah, seriously, how many big bodybuilders do you ever see running?

    None that I've viewed.

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    And how many fat ****s in the gym do you see all out running??? Just about everyone I've seen LOL. They still don't get it????

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleCat
    Yeah, seriously, how many big bodybuilders do you ever see running?

    None that I've viewed.

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    What do you reccomend for cardio bro?

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    Coupled with the correct nutritional protocol, I recommend 45 minutes of cardio at 65-75% of one's max heart rate.

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    Bulking Too?

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    swole and others what do you think of walking for a longer time period but at a lower heart rate? Maby 1,5 hours of walking at a decent pace.

    In sweden that is the comon way for bodyuilder to do cardio. Plain old walking outside. I like it alot better then beeing in a smelly gym on a boring cardio machine.

    Even though I know fat oxidation reaches its peak at 65% vo2max....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex2winny
    Bulking Too?
    When/if one does cardio to keep excess fat at bay while bulking, yes.

    The number of days this is done may not be as many but it doesn't change the type of cardio, no. I usually do 30 mins. while bulking, 45 while cutting.

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    I'd rather get it done and over with doing something that I know works. Going for double the time at a lower heartrate would bore the shit out of me, and I wouldn't be using fat for fuel which is my goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    swole and others what do you think of walking for a longer time period but at a lower heart rate? Maby 1,5 hours of walking at a decent pace.

    In sweden that is the comon way for bodyuilder to do cardio. Plain old walking outside. I like it alot better then beeing in a smelly gym on a boring cardio machine.

    Even though I know fat oxidation reaches its peak at 65% vo2max....

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    what substrate does the body prefer at a lower heart rate.

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    Still fat i believe but the problem will be that you won't be oxidizing much fat. Even if you extend your walk, I still this its best to operate at about 75% max heart rate for about 45min, you are then ensuring yourself the highest amount of FFA oxidation.

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    You know how hard it is to stay at 75% for 45 mins? Absolutely gruling. My resting heartrate is about 43....I havent missed a day of cardio in years (other than illness), and I'm prob. about 8-9% bf.......75% is crazy, as the 220-age formula is junk.

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    yeah 75% sounds like pretty high intensity to me

    i struggle to stay at 65%

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    surely jogging would get you at around 75%,? i couldnt imagine it being that much more anyway
    yet everyone advises against that

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Force
    surely jogging would get you at around 75%,? i couldnt imagine it being that much more anyway
    yet everyone advises against that
    Your body Adapts to walking and gets more efficient doing it so you need less energy to do it....so if running is the only way to get it up to the 65-75%.......RUN!!!

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    i cant see how you can get your heart rate up to 65% just by walking
    well everyones different i suppose, but i go on the ski machine on level 11 at 60rpm and am still below 65%

    if i go any faster i'll fall off

    i dont trust those heart rate monitors though

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    quick- let's say you walk on an incline and the treadmill says your burn 400 cals in 40 minutes. Hypo speaking (I know they arent accurate), would walking for a longer period with less of an incline produce the same results as long as the same reading was 400 cals?

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    My guess would be that it would be impossible to tell the difference in fatloss betwen the two.

    Plz dont bump up old threads when asking questions.

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    I have answered this time and time again,as well as you have asked this same question time and time again. Stop asking the same questions all over again in every single forum.

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