harleyrider

**harleyrider** · 09-06-2011, 01:24 PM

68 years young and am using 100 mg cypoinate weekly with 500 hcg and 0.25 dex e3d. Is 100 mg good? before i started t was 381. Not sure now. Feel good and workouts not bad for 68.

**sirupate** · 09-06-2011, 02:06 PM

100mgs./week is a good starting point for most of us. Your next bloodwork will determine if you need to go up in dosage. The 500iu. HCG seems a little high. Dr. Crisler seems to like 250iu. twice a week. Welcome to the Forum. You'll learn a lot here over time.

**Fred40** · 09-06-2011, 02:07 PM

Only one way to find out.....blood test.

and symptoms.

Sounds like a fairly standard protocol though.

**steroid.com 1** · 09-06-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

68 years young and am using 100 mg cypoinate weekly with 500 hcg and 0.25 dex e3d. Is 100 mg good? before i started t was 381. Not sure now. Feel good and workouts not bad for 68.

Can you post your baseline BW? How long have you been on this protocol?

Honestly, 381 Total T for a 68 yo is pretty nice all things considered. What were your Free and/or Bio-Available? E2?

This protocol sounds about right assuming all other panels are normal.

500 mg of HCG E3D is a bit much IMO but your Doc is probably trying to kick-start natural production. This amount can increase intratesticular E2 and an AI is largely ineffective in managing so watch for high any E2 symptoms.

I do like the E3D protocol just not so much HCG.

Were you diagnosed Primary or Secondary Hypogonadism?

**zaggahamma** · 09-06-2011, 05:09 PM

welcome to the forum

good advice given and could you answer gdevine's questions..

how long you been on and what have you noticed since..

good luck with your next 40 plus years with your newly found fountain of youth

**namvet** · 09-06-2011, 06:11 PM

i'll say,.....your T will be around 900 2 days after your last injection

**steroid.com 1** · 09-06-2011, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by namvet

i'll say,.....your T will be around 900 2 days after your last injection

I wouldn't go quite that far namvet. The 100 mg a week will take a few weeks to get him up to the 900's...if that even. The HCG takes longer for natural T production to start-up but given his age and the amount of active leydig cells and androgen receptors he has at this point in his life it will probably take a little longer amount of time to get natural Test production going. His Doc is probably just looking to keep his testes in an optimum state and looking at the 100 mg to get him where he needs to be...but no question about it, he's still producing which is fantastic to be honest.

Still need to know if he's primary or secondary. My guess, he's primary given his age...but that's just a guess of course and the rational for the HCG protocol.

Still in all, great to see him take control of his health and to Jmans point; good luck with the next 40 years harleyrider

**zaggahamma** · 09-06-2011, 09:50 PM

agree with all that 100 is a good dose, espicially to start, and the 900 guess...dont really know where number guessing came into play and think its irrelevant and that symptoms or lack thereof is a better focal point

**namvet** · 09-07-2011, 06:56 AM

i'm 62 and 3 weeks in TRT at 125 T, weekly divided in two,, with hcg and E2 control, my T was 1100,.... i know everyone is different, ...you'lll know when its in the upper limits cause you will feel very good, and your dick will be hard all the time.......lol

**harleyrider** · 09-07-2011, 11:50 AM

Namvet since were close in age I was wondering what type of T your on and how much hcg ? Based on your statement my T may be still low.

**namvet** · 09-07-2011, 07:21 PM

1 ml. of T. enan. 200mg, hcg 300iu's 3 times a week .5 ameirdex EOD, but , my balls have shrunk some and i'm trying to get them back to normal size again , i hope i'm on the right track

**harleyrider** · 09-08-2011, 02:41 PM

my t was 311 and started androgel 5g daily which is 35 mg of t week. my t went to 381. now on 100 mg of c a week. have not been tested but dont feel anything different. blood test showed E was high and out of normal range. would not me anything for it.

**steroid.com 1** · 09-08-2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

my t was 311 and started androgel 5g daily which is 35 mg of t week. my t went to 381. now on 100 mg of c a week. have not been tested but dont feel anything different. blood test showed E was high and out of normal range. would not me anything for it.

How high? Anything over 30 is not good and "out of the normal range" is not a good at all. All that T you are injecting is now doing you no good as it's being converted to E2...and all the bad sides that can bring.

Don't fully understand your last sentence but do you mean the Doc wouldn't prescribe an AI to get it undercontrol? If so, you got the wrong guy.

**zaggahamma** · 09-08-2011, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

my t was 311 and started androgel 5g daily which is 35 mg of t week. my t went to 381. now on 100 mg of c a week. have not been tested but dont feel anything different. blood test showed E was high and out of normal range. would not me anything for it.

slightly confusing..

e was high BEFORE starting trt?

and you left out the word prescribe i'm sure

**bass** · 09-08-2011, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

68 years young and am using 100 mg cypoinate weekly with 500 hcg and 0.25 dex e3d. Is 100 mg good? before i started t was 381. Not sure now. Feel good and workouts not bad for 68.

i can't add to whats been said, but i just want to say cool screen name! i love harleys! got a road king classic myself!

**harleyrider** · 09-09-2011, 03:32 AM

Sorry i did forget the word prescribe. High e showed up after starting androgel . It was 140 and should be under 130. Love Harleys also. Had Electric Glide Classic and traded in for Trike. Bad knee. Thanks for everyones input.

**zaggahamma** · 09-09-2011, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

Sorry i did forget the word prescribe. High e showed up after starting androgel. It was 140 and should be under 130. Love Harleys also. Had Electric Glide Classic and traded in for Trike. Bad knee. Thanks for everyones input.

thanks...knowing after androgel makes a difference and would assume it would be elevated as well from your injection

**JD250** · 09-09-2011, 08:15 AM

You MUST use an AI or like gdevine said all that T is doing you no good, once you get that under control you'll likely feel like a new man.

**harleyrider** · 09-09-2011, 09:24 AM

Taking 0.25mg E3D of Dex. Is this good?

**namvet** · 09-09-2011, 09:31 AM

if e2 is high ,you may want to up your dose until you get e2 in range, then adjust

**harleyrider** · 09-09-2011, 09:47 AM

Does anyone have and idea on the amount to use? What can I expect to feel?

**zaggahamma** · 09-09-2011, 09:53 AM

i like your proposed dosing for your 100mg of test to start...u can adjust accordingly later depending on blood and symptoms...

usually high e will cause bloat/water retention, lethargy, libido probs,

**harleyrider** · 09-09-2011, 01:39 PM

No water retention. energy is good. wood could be better.

**zaggahamma** · 09-09-2011, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

No water retention. energy is good. wood could be better.

i wouldnt do more than what you proposed with that info

just my .02

imo, there are other variables other than hormones that are responsible for erection

**harleyrider** · 09-10-2011, 12:15 PM

just trying to find out if 0.25 of dex is good. High or low E can affect wood. My last B/Test showed hi. E will also will affect your mood as well other things. I use to be a Paramedic a long time ago and have some understanding of the body. Thanks for your help.

**JD250** · 09-10-2011, 01:49 PM

Yep, give it a try, should help some, may be just what you need.

**zaggahamma** · 09-10-2011, 02:50 PM

most of us have kind of played with AI doses and tailored them

**harleyrider** · 09-10-2011, 03:13 PM

Thanks for the reply. Going try 0.25 ED instead of E3D. Maybe E2D

**Fred40** · 09-10-2011, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

Thanks for the reply. Going try 0.25 ED instead of E3D. Maybe E2D

You skipped EOD

**zaggahamma** · 09-10-2011, 09:36 PM

hes ok as long as he doesnt go ED

**harleyrider** · 09-11-2011, 02:24 PM

Maybe try them all.

**kelkel** · 09-11-2011, 07:21 PM

Just go .25 m-w-f. Less chance of f'n it up!

**JD250** · 09-11-2011, 08:05 PM

^^^^^ thats exactly what I would do and see how it works.

**bass** · 09-11-2011, 09:38 PM

i know we've discussed this before, and in occlusion we all agreed that it depends on the individual, this will take some time, and most importantly is log your symptoms as you adjust so you can learn how to read your levels based on symptoms! for me its exactly 1 mg adex for every 100 mgs test. of course i break it up into 1/2 mg per dose! also to note, its really makes a big difference as to when you take AI in relation to the injection, for example i do not take AI on injection day, i take .5 mg two days in a raw after my injection then eod after that, then repeat.

**harleyrider** · 09-12-2011, 05:26 AM

Thanks for the help. New to this and was trying figure out how much/often. As I stated 100 mg of test, HCG .

**harleyrider** · 09-13-2011, 07:08 PM

at what level of t is it no longer hrt but a cycle?

**bass** · 09-13-2011, 07:53 PM

anything above 200 mgs test ew, or stack something else with it like deca or anavar for example. unless your doc prescribes deca or anavar within the protocol then its still considered TRT not blast. in my opinion a light blast would start at 300/200 test/deca.

**zaggahamma** · 09-14-2011, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by harleyrider

at what level of t is it no longer hrt but a cycle?

imo...when on trt...just raising the test dose does very little...200/200 test/deca would yield better gains than 500-600mg of test, imo...

and doesnt really matter if you call it a cycle, blast...

cycle doses from what i've read i believe was test at 400minimum...

but when on trt we dont cycle...we blast and cruise

and i still stand by stacking the compounds during the blast over raising the test alone

my .02

**confused123** · 09-14-2011, 04:36 PM

Going to jump in here ... n ask a ?

Understanding the dosage of ai's but what do u guys do when u hit your levels lower disease to once a week or stop ai and when symptoms come back start ai again.

**zaggahamma** · 09-14-2011, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by confused123

Going to jump in here ... n ask a ?

Understanding the dosage of ai's but what do u guys do when u hit your levels lower disease to once a week or stop ai and when symptoms come back start ai again.

smart phone not so smart?

think i get your point and yes is the answer....takes a while to dial in the individual's AI dose