need advice about bringing T down

[fireeater49]

Hey brothers,

If you guys do not mind just look over these 2 set of blood works and give your thoughts on reducing my test levels.

For the sake of simplifying the problem consider that both set of lab blood work measured CBC, CMP, TSH, LH, FH and all were almost identical to each other and both were in normal ranges. Lab work #1 was taken on a trough day on 8/22 and lab work #2 was on trough day on 11/22. Both sets of labs were drawn before my 250 IU hcg shot SQ.

Protocol was the same for both lab works. It was and currently is IM, alternating sites, 100 mg of test cyp (Watson) E3D and 250 IU Hcg day before test shot and daily 10mg of cialis.

Note for blood work for 8/22 also consisted of added UGL 50 mg of Masteron Enthante and 50mg of Masteron Prop taken in same syringe with test cyp 100mg for a total of 1 cc each injection for 12 weeks prior. I came off the masteron blend for 3 weeks (7/30 to 8/22) and then had this blood work drawn at dr office.

Note for blood work for 11/20 was and currently regular protocol with nothing else.

Here it is for 8/22 ----------total test 1958.3 range 348-1197
free test >51 range 6.8-21.5
estradiol 60.42 range 5.37-65.9 * non sensitive*

For 11/20-------------------total test 1660
free test 39.4
estradiol 71.5 * non sensitive*

Same labs (Labcorp)

No symptoms of anything, no libido changes, no erection problems (not counting too many erections is problem lol) no nipple soreness or lumps. Psa both times remain the same at 2.8 I am 50 years old, good shape, around 9 percent bodyfat, and ordinary aches and pains for a guy my age.

My first thought is to drop to 80 mg E3D and retest in 4 weeks. Second thought is to maintain 100mg but go to E5D. Any thoughts on HCG? I am really trying to not go on AI. Again, no symptoms. Just trying to get blood work together before I see dr. early next year.

Thanks a bunch

[fireeater49]

oh yea more history, I have been on trt for 2 years. First six months was disaster and changed dr. Everything is going much better. Hcg was prescribed then. Blood work during this time period has been roughly same but TT (trough) ran about 600 at 80mg test cyp Watson. Free test ran about 12 and estradiol ran about 34 ( non sensitive) I asked for sensitive assay tests but did not get so stayed with estradiol non sensitive for a point of comparison for future lab works.

[2Sox]

To me, this is a strange question with only one simple answer. If you want to bring your T levels down, you decrease your dose. And by how much is completely up to you.

On another note: It's great that you're feeling so good and you other results are within range. But to me, this sounds very unusual at the remarkably high T ranges you post.

[fireeater49]

Thank you and yes I know to bring down test dose but with the information as far as the half life of test, assimilation by the body of extra test I am looking for anyone opinion/experience with HOW to reduce test. Less dose or simply going to lower intervals of shot timing or possible changing up HCG dosing and administration.

[2Sox]

Thank you and yes I know to bring down test dose but with the information as far as the half life of test, assimilation by the body of extra test I am looking for anyone opinion/experience with HOW to reduce test. Less dose or simply going to lower intervals of shot timing or possible changing up HCG dosing and administration.

As I said, this is completely up to you as to how you want to do this. In my view, it's totally through experimentation. You may want to try SQ and reducing your dose to 60mg every 3 1/2 days. See how you feel. But understand this is an arbitrary suggestion completely.

[fireeater49]

Thanks again, and I know its up to me and my PMD but if someone has experience with a situation like this I would like to hear what worked for them. SQ route is a consideration and thanks for bringing that up. That is something to consider.

[Lifted1]

as big kel usually says, "less injected=less converted". i would inject 40mg less per injection (60mg every 3.5 days) and retest in 4 weeks. that will for sure lower both E and T levels. i would also spend the extra $ for the sensitive estradiol to know where you really stand.

[fireeater49]

Back from another run at the fire house. Thanks for the suggestion.

[2Sox]

Lifted makes a good point. Get the sensitive assay for you estradiol to be sure where you are. This is very important. Swollen, sensitive nipples happen when it's gone too far and it's not a sensible indication of E2 issues.

Regarding hCG : Again, up to you and what works for you. I take 125iu daily along with my T injections of 14-16mg/day. But that's me.

[fireeater49]

cyp or prop test?

[2Sox]

cyp or prop test?

Cypionate .

[hawk14dl]

I'd personally drop down to 75 e3d instead of 100. Give that some time, see how you feel and adjust from there

[fireeater49]

thanks

[lovbyts]

If you dont like the idea of dropping down the dose you could always stop exercising, get fat and start drinking. That will lower your testosterone levels .