First time running anything, give it a quick look please

[Sessink_518]

Running VAR only, yes I know I should run test but I'm not this time please don't lecture me on it.. Next cycle Im going to.. This is my First cycle, would love input on my PCT or even the cycle. Starting the var in a couple days. Just testin this out for a little boost. I'm a pro/AM motocross racer so I'm just putting a little lean size and strength on this offseason as lifting is my second passion..

Stats: lifting solid for last 2 years but have been on and off since I was 13. Personal trainer and have been studying this stuff for awhile Im not stupid about it but I'm still new.. Just turned 19.

5'11 200lbs 12% bodyfat

8 weeks:
Anavar - 50mg ED
DHEA - 50mg ED
Tribulus - 3G ED

Nolvadex - 20mg ED for 1 month
Vitamin D - 5,000 Iu ED
Tribulus - 3G ED
(DAA, ZMA, applied drive, horny goat weed)

Starting PCT day after I stop the VAR, is this correct? Thank you for any advice and tips

Anavar - 50mg ED
DHEA - 50mg ED
Tribulus - 3G ED

Nolvadex - 20mg ED for 1 month
Vitamin D - 5,000 Iu ED
Tribulus - 3G ED
(DAA, ZMA, applied drive, horny goat weed)

Starting PCT day after I stop the VAR, is this correct? Thank you for any advice and tips

[Sessink_518]

Sorry about the repeated post on what I'm taking my phone messed up on me.

[marcus300]

Var only isn't a good idea
shutting down your system before its fully developed isn't a wise choice either.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Joco71]

You should read the above info and realize that the risks far out way the reward especially running 8 week var only cycle that is dumb in the first place. I'm sure that isn't what you wanted hear. But the truth is harder to swallow than the var. Good luck !! Hope you don't hurt yourself.

[Juced_porkchop]

you should wait untill age 24-26 for good reason.... don't potentially screw yourself up for life man...

[Sessink_518]

Var only isn't a good idea
shutting down your system before its fully developed isn't a wise choice either.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

Anavar doesn't aromatize.. Isn't it the estrogen that closes growth plates? With a proper PCT I don't see how this is really going to hurt me.. Maybe I'm just telling myself what I want to hear.. But IF I do still decide to do it, any tips to keep everything as safe as possible?

[marcus300]

Anavar doesn't aromatize.. Isn't it the estrogen that closes growth plates? With a proper PCT I don't see how this is really going to hurt me.. Maybe I'm just telling myself what I want to hear.. But IF I do still decide to do it, any tips to keep everything as safe as possible?

You will shut down your natural test before its fully developed. Please re read the above post.

[Sessink_518]

You will shut down your natural test before its fully developed. Please re read the above post.

I've read It a few times now, I'm just curious what's the problem with my natural test being low for 8 or maybe 10 weeks then brought back up.. As long as I don't mess up my PCT Shouldn't everything be right back to normal a few weeks post cycle? Not saying you're wrong whatsoever, just don't understand that part. Appreciate the time and info you're sharing.

[Bio-Active]

I've read It a few times now, I'm just curious what's the problem with my natural test being low for 8 or maybe 10 weeks then brought back up.. As long as I don't mess up my PCT Shouldn't everything be right back to normal a few weeks post cycle? Not saying you're wrong whatsoever, just don't understand that part. Appreciate the time and info you're sharing.

because estrogen will take over. You will get all the sides that come with low t and estrogen winning the battle.

[marcus300]

I've read It a few times now, I'm just curious what's the problem with my natural test being low for 8 or maybe 10 weeks then brought back up.. As long as I don't mess up my PCT Shouldn't everything be right back to normal a few weeks post cycle? Not saying you're wrong whatsoever, just don't understand that part. Appreciate the time and info you're sharing.

There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

[Juced_porkchop]

There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

I couldn't have said it better!

OP its about messing up development for GOOD by throwing it off pattern, not just having low T for 10 weeks. its in a stage of development you should not mess with, that is NOT the case in adults and why it is not as bad IMO.

[Sessink_518]

because estrogen will take over. You will get all the sides that come with low t and estrogen winning the battle.

I see, what is the best way to minimize this on something like Var, or a more serious cycle? Not saying I'm going to do it, just trying to understand/learn about it.

[Sessink_518]

There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Wow, didn't realize something that serious could happen on anavar .. That's not just when you mess up or go on a serious cycle though? Thought Var would just give me a little boost with minimum sides. Know everyone reacts different but I've had alot of friends use it at my age or younger and are fine afterwards.. You're not just trying to steer me away because something like var leads into more serious stuff right? Not looking to go past an anavar only cycle until i'm MUCH older. Just was under the impression I could run this for a strength and leaning out boost without any serious sides

[Sessink_518]

I couldn't have said it better!

OP its about messing up development for GOOD by throwing it off pattern, not just having low T for 10 weeks. its in a stage of development you should not mess with, that is NOT the case in adults and why it is not as bad IMO.

I see the point, is there any way to keep my natural up where I can get away with it or atleast lesson the chance of any damage like taking natural boosters or running it for a shorter period? I'm sure you guys understand Var much better than me but I thought it didn't shut down HPTA completely being so mild

[davidtheman100]

With how much fake anavar there is out there, you'd probably be producing more testosterone every week naturally than you would if your natural production took over and you were running the anavar at 50mg. Not worth it even if you were old enough to cycle, which you aren't.

Please reconsider, you are not stable enough to face the potential risks associated with cycling.

[Sessink_518]

With how much fake anavar there is out there, you'd probably be producing more testosterone every week naturally than you would if your natural production took over and you were running the anavar at 50mg. Not worth it even if you were old enough to cycle, which you aren't.

Please reconsider, you are not stable enough to face the potential risks associated with cycling.

Its pharmaceutical.. I'm going to continue research and hold off with it. If I do decide to still do it, any tips on making it a better and or safer cycle are much appreciated.. Not going to steer me either way, I'm probably not going to but want help/advice making it as safe as possible IF i do decide to still.

[Sessink_518]

Bump.. Any advice on my cycle? Appreciate the concerns and advice but want to know if my setup is right as well still incase

[Bio-Active]

I see, what is the best way to minimize this on something like Var, or a more serious cycle? Not saying I'm going to do it, just trying to understand/learn about it.

the best advice you have already received.... You should not cycle at all yet. Take some time to read the beginner cycle stickies