Aggressive PCT Help after 1.5 year Blast n Cruise - Asking for Help Humbly!

**edl1990** · 09-07-2015, 07:48 PM

Hi Guys,

I've been reading the forums for a long time and only now decided to join because I need help, and in turn want to stay active and help others however I can. I come humbly as I am in a bad spot.

I have been blasting and cruising for 1.5 years on cyp, but the last 2 cycles I had were cyp/dca drbln for 8 weeks, then 4 week cruise, then trn/cyp for another 8 weeks and because of an injury figured it would be a good time to come off and see if I can go back to normal and have kids in the future (my only concern, I don't care about being natural). (I've done research on that and apparently I'd be fine conceiving in the future even if I stayed on.)

I've started my PCT, but because I'ms till new I keep getting spam filtered so I'll try to post more below.

Long story short, for 3 weeks as the esther was clearing I ran HCG at 2000IU EOD. This is based off of Scallys protocol, and many other posts I read from people coming off multi-year cycles with successful PCT. Because I've been on for that long I figured this dosage was appropriate.

I got through the 3 weeks of HCG just fine and the first week and a half of the Cl/Nlva just fine, but after that things went down hill. Today is the end of my second week on the normal PCT and I feel like crap and have ED. I think the clmd sides were too much so I dropped the dose from 100mg ED to 50mgED and nlva from 40mg to 20mg ED.

HOWEVER, I hit a snag this past Saturday. I was having a bad anxiety attack and made the decision to gear back up and pinned 250mg of Cyp, which I now regret because I want to come off.

I'm still running the clmd and nlva, at 50mg ED and 20mgED respectively, but am unsure of what to do now that I pinned myself with Cyp already. Should I just continue this for another 4-6 weeks? Am I ****ed? Should I gear back up? Ive done lots of research and based my PCT off of info I've found so I'm not just being a mooching little shit looking for the easy way out. I haven't been able to find anything on what to do in this situation, so if anyone can help me design the rest of my PCT that would be amazing. I can get whatever I need within 2-3 days, so if any suggestions are out there I'm listening.

Very Humbly Yours

PCT Timeline Thus Far
Wk1-3 HCG 2000IU EOD
Wk 1-3 Adex .5mg EOD
Wk 4-5.75 Clmd 100mg ED
Wk 4-5.75 Nlva 40mg ED
Wk 5.75-Beginning of Wk 6 (today): Clmd 50mg ED
Wk 5.75-Beginning of Wk 6 (today): Nlva 20mg ED

**numbere** · 09-08-2015, 07:48 AM

Using Scally's Power PCT Program is your best chance at reseting you HPTA. The 250 mg of cyp you pinned last saturday isn't that big of a deal. Just don't take anymore AAS.

IMO the HCG aspect of Scally's PCT is only worth implementing if one is going to have blood work after the first 15 days, and would also like to test for functionality of the testicals. This first 15 day period is what Scally refers to as a "dynamic challenge." The hCG challenge aspect of his regimine is meant to test if one is suffering from primary hypogonadism.

Below is a synopsis of Scally's program.

Part I

The first half begins with administering an hCG challenge test consisting of 1,000-2,500 IU every other day for 15 days. At the of the 15 day period one should have a full hormone. A failed test for sufficient leydig cell functionality is when total test levels reside in the low 20% of the adult male reference range, which is about 400 ng/dl. If one is unable to attain normal levels through the hCG challenge then they are likely suffering from primary hypogonadism. This means that if SERM treatment in Part II is successful then natural test levels will likely be less than desirable.

Part II

The second half of the protocol uses nolva and clomid in order to stimulate the hypothalamus to produce gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) and the pituitary to release luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). LH will then signal the leydig cells to begin test production and FSH communicate with the sertoli cells to begin spermatogenesis.

SERM treatment should begin with clomid dosed at 50 mg twice a day for 30 days, and nolva dosed at 20 mg/day for 45 days. Then 6-8 weeks after succession of PCT, labs should be drawn which include a full hormone panel in order to assess the extent of HPTA restoration.