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    Question LEGIT NORMA & SUSTANON??

    Wanted some input from the experts on the following. Have heard a couple of different opinions. I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks.
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    Those crimps on the deca look bad.

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    Hey Hustla,
    The crimp looks sketchy on the bottles and they have grey stoppers. Does
    this mean they are totally fake or just underdosed?? Thanks...

    Any idea about the Sustanon ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel31
    Hey Hustla,
    The crimp looks sketchy on the bottles and they have grey stoppers. Does
    this mean they are totally fake or just underdosed?? Thanks...

    Any idea about the Sustanon??
    If the crimps are bad, means it is not what the factory put in it so it could be anything. What does the etching look like on the vial?

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    The Norma is fake for sure 100% Made in Eastern Europe (Croatia) but my friend in Europe got it tested and it does have 200mg Nandrolon.

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    what s the point of faking a original product and putting in the same amount of active agent and its the first time I heat they contain nandrolon...

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    Nope that fvcking batch contains nothing but sesame oil in, Machi
    got it tested in a lab, tested 0 nandrolone decanoate!!! Don't waste
    your time using that, bro take this for advice. Good luck!

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    The etching is good, it doesn't come out with scratches, they
    only fail in the crimp and the detail of the letter "E" in the label
    good fake though!

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    Question

    Yeah it has the "Norma Hellas" etched on the glass in blue underneath
    the label. So what is the deal w/ the "E" on this one that is bunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerbodybuilder
    The Norma is fake for sure 100% Made in Eastern Europe (Croatia) but my friend in Europe got it tested and it does have 200mg Nandrolon.
    That makes absolutely no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerbodybuilder
    The Norma is fake for sure 100% Made in Eastern Europe (Croatia) but my friend in Europe got it tested and it does have 200mg Nandrolon.
    Ive heard this before about other fakes, like fake primos that were supposed to have primo in it but when someone actually produced a report, it was bunk.

    Scammers are scammers...They dont make fakes only to spend the money on real product and put it in. They just sell you sterile oil if your lucky.

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    norma hellas

    Quote Originally Posted by diesel31
    Yeah it has the "Norma Hellas" etched on the glass in blue underneath
    the label. So what is the deal w/ the "E" on this one that is bunk?
    the bottom horrizontal line of the e should be longer than the other two horrizontal lines

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    What dont you understand Xwhitedenali from Michael Jackson ranch?????

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    Hey Diesel, the sus seems to be the one made by Infar (India) to be
    exported to Russia if it helps you, but I don't know about fakes of that
    one maybe other bros can help ya out!
    BTW PowerBB, I think your friend told you a lie about the test, bro I
    have shot myself that batch for my unfortune and it resulted in nothing
    but dots in my shoulder, bro no active agent inside them, just give'em
    up, bro you got real Normas over there from what I remember!

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    Diesel Johny knox answered your question about the "E" in the label, he's
    got it right! BTW in the original box of Normas that doens't match it's just
    like in that fake label all lines are the same lenght! The fakers use to make
    a big mistake to do it all opposite in the box they put the real deal label "E"
    and the label they put the real deal box "E", hehe just a big mistake if you
    don't pay attention on that they can catch you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerbodybuilder
    What dont you understand Xwhitedenali from Michael Jackson ranch?????
    You say its 100% fake, but your buddy had it tested and it came back 200mg. If its fake, why would they put the real substance in?

    Neverland Ranch is a joke..

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    I have te same lot number.
    I also think it's fake, but the oil in it is numbe my tongue.
    So... There is something in it
    no?

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    Nope if you're talking about the Normas...it indeed contains the
    main oil of real decas as it smells like real deal but it ain't real deal
    just the same solvent, IMO it's the sesame oil and some BA?!?

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    wat is ba?

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    Not sure if it was related to these Normas, but after taking them for a couple of weeks, I broke out in a bad rash on my face. Can't be sure if it was from that or something else though.

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    and you feel something from the deca ?

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    Diesel, that's what happened to me also so that's why I insist that
    it contains nothing of Nandrolone !!!
    Geriguy, BA stands for Benzyl Alcohol.

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    Honestly I only took them for about 3 weeks and stopped because I broke
    out w/ some crazy rash on my face that forced me to go to the dermatologist. Prescribed me corti-steroid topical ointment to treat it so
    I just stopped it not knowing what it was at the time. He told me that he has
    seen a similar dermatitis caused by steroids in the past.

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    Seajackal tell me - what type of rash exactly did you get because I was pretty worried what had caused it! The topical stuff didn't work, so they gave me prednisone after that and it finally cleared up....Want to know if
    it was similar to yours...

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    i have some friends who used this kind of fake decas with good result, so I don't know...
    My dealer said it is fake, but it contains the rigt ammount of nandrolone .
    So i don't know...
    And whats about you diesel?
    You are the only, who used theese???
    and what said your dealer?

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    If you guys don't believe me just take a look at Machi's post at
    this thread!
    norma hellas
    Anything else needed?

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    you gained nothing from it?

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    I saw that topic, but why my friends say there is something in it???

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    My harsh was in my face too and some crazy dots in my shoulders
    where I shot my oils, I didn't take any medicine for that and it subsided
    as I stopped shoting that sh1t in me.

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    Would you believe a friends word or a lab test when it comes to AAS?
    It's probably something he was taking in stack with that or maybe the
    food intake he raised when on cycle, believe me bro there's nothing inside
    that! Don't buy anything from Eastern Europe sites, bro big scummbags!

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    Do you think your reaction was actually a rash like mine or just a couple of
    pimples?? I had mine for like 2 weeks! Looked like some type of allergic reaction, but was pimply.

    My guy tells me that people have done them w/ good results, but how many
    are going to tell you otherwise! LOL

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    I am Eastern European
    and i don't buy anithing from a site.

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    The harsh I had was big and deep pimples ugly ones to tell you
    the truth I'm prone to that kind of stuff. I hate it!
    Geriguy, if you're so you'll probably will find some crazy Normas
    and yellow tops coming around but all fakes for sure! When you
    have a time just post some pics of new stuffs you get, bro, thanks!

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    How long were you taking them before you broke out?? Is this cat Machi
    been reliable in the past??

    *Usually Sust. and Deca has been my bread and butter regarding size. Do you think the QV 300 would be ok to stack w/ Sus 250?? I know I can get those...

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    Machi knows his sh1t from what I read, I took it 2 weeks
    and all the sh1t broke out like that. As for QV, I personally
    don't like Mex gear but it is better than taking that Normas
    and you will be OK with that stack!

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    diesel, you gained nothing from the deca ???

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    I didn't do it long enough as Deca is known to take a while to kick in. I still have about 14 of them left, so I think I'm going to get rid of them and not take the chance. I don't want to risk getting that rash back if it was in fact from that. Had a pretty bad case of some kind of dermatitis on my face!

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    Right decision, bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajackal
    Right decision, bro!
    Seajackal I feel your frustration. These guys are talking like they don't know what the deal with fakes are. Here is the thing......

    Fakes VERY RARELY contain what they claim to have inside. If your lucky you'll get STERILE oil thats completely inert. If your even luckier, depending on how you look at the situation, you'll get some other active steroidal compound. If your not lucky you'll get some contaminated oil and your get an abscess that causes your leg to fall off.

    To the guy on here that says they contain 200mgs of nandrolone . Nandrolone is not the same thing as nandrolone decanoate (deca durabolin ). They're close but they're different enough to **** up your planning in your cycle. I mean it defeats the purpose of the attached ester. You should get what you pay for. I mean ****, if you thought you were injecting deca and you were relly injecting test prop..... you get my drift.

    My point is that I got them tested. They're fake. Don't use them and either get real replacements or get your money back from your source.

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    Diesel - they way they test these in the lab dosn't tell what they contain but rather what they don't contain.

    They use HPLC - High Performance Liquid Chromatography - The sample is dissolved in an organic extraction solvent (because its an oil/sterol), if you look at my test the solvent was acetonitrile (CH3CN). They then measure the time at which the solvent elutes and the absorbance peak it gives upon elution. In the case of my lab assay the range of detection of the photodiode was 190-600nm and it would have been quantified at 245nm had there been any nandrolone decanoate present in solution. So the diode would detect any compounds which had an absorbance between190-600nm and the analysis would have used a peak at 245 to calculate the area for determining the quantity of deca present in the injection sample. The ratio of deca present int the sample is then used based on the total volume of the sample you provided them to tell you how much deca the sample you sent them actually contained. Basically, they compare your sample with the data from a standard or 'known' sample of nandrolone decanoate. If your sample produces data that dosn't match that of the standard they can say that your sample dosn't contain the compound which it was tested for.

    So - they didn't tell me what my sample contained but only that it didn't contain deca. Who knows what you could be injecting in yourself.

    Testing for an unknown compound, as was the case with the THG balco scenario, is much more expensive and much more time consuming.

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