Thoughts on B-12 injetable??

**Sauced_Up** · 06-28-2010, 10:00 PM

Was doing a bit of reading and read its good for increasing hunger and energy. Also read sometimes its a hit or miss for some people. Well I wana know who here has experience with it? Can it help as a great preworkout? anything else you can input???

Also anyone ever use vet grade B-12??? thoughts???

**G4R** · 06-28-2010, 10:06 PM

I usually use B-12 on days I have no cycle injections, just preference. Its very hard to get myself energized, and I dont feel that the B-12 helps me personally in that regard. I mainly take it for overall health benifits.

I have never used vet grade, only human grade.

**n00bs** · 06-29-2010, 12:08 AM

nasal spray is good if u want an inadversive way of doing it..

But i take it people around here dont mind needles :P

**HenryHill** · 06-29-2010, 12:45 AM

What is a good source for B12 injections ? ( I assume it is alright to ask source for this, since it is legal ! ) . Also, is this just a regular intramuscular injection? I would love to get over the fear of injecting so I'm not nervous for when my Test cycle comes around in a few months...

**G4R** · 06-29-2010, 12:52 AM

AR-R

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**HenryHill** · 06-29-2010, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

AR-R

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Thanks, I think i will purchase it from them.

Is the shot an intramuscular injection?

What gauge needle should I use to draw the vitamin, and what guage should i use to inject? I assume I should throw the needle I used to draw away after i finish drawing?

**G4R** · 06-29-2010, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by HenryHill

Thanks, I think i will purchase it from them.

Is the shot an intramuscular injection?

What gauge needle should I use to draw the vitamin, and what guage should i use to inject? I assume I should throw the needle I used to draw away after i finish drawing?

Yes, it is IM.

I generally use the same size needle that I would use to inject test into that particular muscle. Some people use the same pin that they used to draw to inject. I always switch. The pin you use to draw doesnt need to be huge though, B-12 is water based, and draws extremely easy through the pin.

**HenryHill** · 06-29-2010, 01:19 AM

Thanks for the help g4r . I am a little confused about pins.

Terumo 20 G X 1" Syringe with Needle, 3 CC. Luer Lock and Latex free.

Does 'luer lock' mean that the needle is removable? As in, I can use this syringe WITH needle (sold on AR-R ) to draw from the vial, then I can remove the needle and attach a 25 GAUGE needle to this syringe to inject?

**G4R** · 06-29-2010, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by HenryHill

Thanks for the help g4r . I am a little confused about pins.

Terumo 20 G X 1" Syringe with Needle, 3 CC. Luer Lock and Latex free.

Does 'luer lock' mean that the needle is removable? As in, I can use this syringe WITH needle (sold on AR-R) to draw from the vial, then I can remove the needle and attach a 25 GAUGE needle to this syringe to inject?

Yeah, you can switch pins with it. Wouldnt recommend 20g to draw B-12, it will really do a number on the rubber, and since like I said, it is water based, sometimes it will have a tendency when you remove the drawing pin out, of bubbling some of the B-12 out, not a lot, but still annoying.

Sorry OP

**HenryHill** · 06-29-2010, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

Yeah, you can switch pins with it. Wouldnt recommend 20g to draw B-12, it will really do a number on the rubber, and since like I said, it is water based, sometimes it will have a tendency when you remove the drawing pin out, of bubbling some of the B-12 out, not a lot, but still annoying.

Sorry OP

Thank you ! You have been a major help

**BROKEN** · 06-29-2010, 04:23 AM

dude for just b-12 you should use a slin pin
it can be shot IM subQ iv!! dont use a friken 20g

**marcus300** · 06-29-2010, 06:29 AM

Ive used b12 shot during mass cycles, it increase's my appetite and gives me a huge feeling of well being, I normally use around 1000mcgs daily.

**toothache** · 06-29-2010, 07:50 AM

1000mcg/day was my dosage. I like to run b12 during my cycle as well.

**Dizz28** · 06-29-2010, 11:30 AM

Either 1000mcg EOD or 500 ED using a slin pin injected SubQ. I notice a difference in energy levels when I use it

**tballz** · 06-29-2010, 11:50 AM

I like to run b12 with my cycles. I get it from ar-r .

**Sauced_Up** · 06-29-2010, 09:09 PM

Thanks for all the replies. My main interest in it is for the hunger increase since im going to start my next bulk soon.

Ive read some people have used vet grade B-12 since its wayyyy cheaper. Any opinions on that???

**G4R** · 06-29-2010, 09:13 PM

I know of a lot of people who use vet grade and have no issues with it at all. They buy it because of the price.

**Sauced_Up** · 06-29-2010, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

I know of a lot of people who use vet grade and have no issues with it at all. They buy it because of the price.

Exactly why I asked, I can get vet grade B-12 for 1/2 the price of human grade. Just never used any vet grade substances so im kinda sketched out...

thanks for the input tho,
keep em coming!

**stevey_6t9** · 06-29-2010, 10:45 PM

anyone find a difference between B-complex and B-12 injections??

**G4R** · 06-29-2010, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

anyone find a difference between B-complex and B-12 injections??

B-Complex is a combo of B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B7, B9 and B12

Never tried it myself.

**Dizz28** · 06-30-2010, 06:31 AM

I always get vet grade B-complex. No problems

I've never noticed an increase in appetite, just energy

**Walnutz** · 06-30-2010, 07:49 AM

I like b12 shots. Increased energy, appetite, sleep better.....

Get mine from ar-r .

**HenryHill** · 06-30-2010, 08:48 PM

Do these shots make you 'sore' ? This will be my first IM injection. Nervous as hell. What sites did you guys start off with? Was thinking of doing my glutes first then going to legs...

**Ashop** · 06-30-2010, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Sauced_Up

Was doing a bit of reading and read its good for increasing hunger and energy. Also read sometimes its a hit or miss for some people. Well I wana know who here has experience with it? Can it help as a great preworkout? anything else you can input???

Also anyone ever use vet grade B-12??? thoughts???

I like it for added energy and increasing my appetite.

**G4R** · 06-30-2010, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by HenryHill

Do these shots make you 'sore' ? This will be my first IM injection. Nervous as hell. What sites did you guys start off with? Was thinking of doing my glutes first then going to legs...

B-12 shots? I have never had an issue with any soreness. But, if it will be your first injection, since you have 'virgin' skin, there may be a little discomfort. Just take it easy, and go nice and slow.

So many places to inject. Starting with glutes seems to be what most people do.

**stevey_6t9** · 06-30-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

B-Complex is a combo of B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B7, B9 and B12

Never tried it myself.

yeah i know its a combo of them, just interested if anyone had any experiences with trying both and if they worked practically the same.

**G4R** · 06-30-2010, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

yeah i know its a combo of them, just interested if anyone had any experiences with trying both and if they worked practically the same.

Yeah, it didnt click in my head until after I typed and posted it that you were wanting feedback, not ingredients... sorry

**40plusnewbie** · 07-01-2010, 04:30 AM

I did daily 1000mcg inj IM of B12 and 50mg daily of B6 and my sperm count increased by 500%. Didn't really notice any hunger difference or energy difference and in fact came across some stuff on the web about ppl taking B12 inj's to DECREASE hunger, although they were not scientific studies or anything like that.

But be careful about humping bareback, ur sperm count is gonna go thru the roof, there is documented evidence of that, especially with B6 injections added in. I have also read that taking niacin with B12/B6 has a synergistic effect and increase the effectiveness of them (although be careful of dosage, this substance is notorious for turning ur face red and burning like hell for like an hr if u take too much, I rec a small dosage or get slo-acin (or some other), time released version.

**big_ron** · 07-01-2010, 05:11 AM

i really want to try it, i was thinking along with pct just to help with energy and motivation, anyone try this inbetwen cycles?

**Mr.Rose** · 07-01-2010, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

yeah i know its a combo of them, just interested if anyone had any experiences with trying both and if they worked practically the same.

b-complex gives me an insane energy rush. I take it 30min before workouts. B-12 i take daily. Love them both.

**anabolix112** · 07-01-2010, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Sauced_Up

Was doing a bit of reading and read its good for increasing hunger and energy. Also read sometimes its a hit or miss for some people. Well I wana know who here has experience with it? Can it help as a great preworkout? anything else you can input???

Also anyone ever use vet grade B-12??? thoughts???

Well did that about 10 years or more ago when off. Did have some effect on apetite and well being.
Not a miracle "drug" but that injectable version was something you would still notice even if you didn't believe in that at first.

**big_ron** · 07-01-2010, 06:21 PM

ive just ordered some b12 and b complex, going to give it a try

anyone notice any change in bf% when using it? of course if cardio and diet was spot on, but i was thinking in the increased hunger and more energy it could have an effect on your metabolism?

**40plusnewbie** · 07-01-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by big_ron

ive just ordered some b12 and b complex, going to give it a try

anyone notice any change in bf% when using it? of course if cardio and diet was spot on, but i was thinking in the increased hunger and more energy it could have an effect on your metabolism?

My bf is dropping now, but wasn't while on the B12 inj's. I been off daily B12 1000mcg and daily B6 50mg shots for a couple months.

No idea about metabolism, like I said I read conflicting reports of ppl taking it for both increased and decreased hunger.

Next time I order I will def order 100ml vet grade rather than 30ml bottles thou. Same with the B6 bu I think it's 50ml for those or sumthin. Certain vet/horse sites also have some other interesting injections.

Be careful humpin with no condom, ur sperm count will go thru the roof if u shoot these daily.

**big_ron** · 07-01-2010, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

My bf is dropping now, but wasn't while on the B12 inj's. I been off daily B12 1000mcg and daily B6 50mg shots for a couple months.

No idea about metabolism, like I said I read conflicting reports of ppl taking it for both increased and decreased hunger.

Next time I order I will def order 100ml vet grade rather than 30ml bottles thou. Same with the B6 bu I think it's 50ml for those or sumthin. Certain vet/horse sites also have some other interesting injections.

Be careful humpin with no condom, ur sperm count will go thru the roof if u shoot these daily.

okay if so its a bonus

oh thats another plus, now i can start my porno career

**HenryHill** · 07-01-2010, 11:16 PM

Would there be any reason a VET grade supp containing:

Cyanocobalamin (B12) - 1,000 mcg,Thiamine Hydrochloride (B1) - 12.5 mg, Niacinamide - 12.5 mg, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B6) - 5.0 mg, d-Panthenol - 5.0 mg, Riboflavin (B2) (as Riboflavin 5 phosphate sodium) - 2.0 mg, with benzyl alcohol 1.5% v/v as preservative, ammonium sulfate 0.1%.

Would be unsafe?

**lifterjaydawg** · 07-02-2010, 01:34 AM

b12 shots are great, I have gotten them from ar-r and they really do help.

**HenryHill** · 07-04-2010, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by HenryHill

Would there be any reason a VET grade supp containing:

Cyanocobalamin (B12) - 1,000 mcg,Thiamine Hydrochloride (B1) - 12.5 mg, Niacinamide - 12.5 mg, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B6) - 5.0 mg, d-Panthenol - 5.0 mg, Riboflavin (B2) (as Riboflavin 5 phosphate sodium) - 2.0 mg, with benzyl alcohol 1.5% v/v as preservative, ammonium sulfate 0.1%.

Would be unsafe?

Bump for answer

**Jimmy.Boy** · 08-11-2010, 08:47 PM

1000mg of vitamin b12 daily sounds like alot of injections:

Does anyone know the half life on b12 injections??

**Jimmy.Boy** · 08-11-2010, 09:06 PM

nvrmind
i left someones whole post as I think it was all good info

Cyanocobalamin has a half life of about a day. It is a b-vitamin which we know is water soluble and must be replaced on a daily basis. Methylcyanocobalamin is the activated form of B12 and you can take it once 1-2x week like we give patients in the clinic (but these are HRT individuals, not physique athletes trying to eat more) or 1 every week. The exact half life is not all that much different though. If you really would like to slow the half-life, which makes sense in a healthy lifter's case, shoot sub-Q. The release is much slower into systemic circulation than I.M.

The most active form of B12 in the body occurs in the brain and nervous system as methylcobalamin. For the body to make methylcobalamin, it must use enzymes to "methylate" the cobalamin into the active form. These enzyme methylators function for many purposes, mainly in drug detoxification through phase I and II in liver metabolism. So, if a healthy lifter is taking a bunch of drugs, orals, OTC meds, or drinks alcohol, there will be a definite drain on the methylators.

Summary: similar half life taking cyanocobalamin or methylcobalamin. Since the body has to work to convert the cyano form, just take the methyl and give the body directly what it needs. Last note- amongst other nutrients, the B12 will work much better in the presence of high folic acid (major b-vitamin methylator).

A good avg dose is 1000-1500mcg/shot 2-3 times per week in a clinical setting. Drink enough water and as long as you do not notice any unusual numbing of your hands, finglers, arms or toes, you are good to go. Neurological symptoms like these are nothing to freak over, just drop the dose down if it happens. This is super rare in healthy, disease free populations in the doses above. Good luck.

**Jake2020** · 01-30-2011, 02:18 PM

@ sauced up..a few months ago received som cyanocobalamin from a trainer acquaintance of mine, from the gym didnt really do anything for me but afterwards i read the exp date and it said apr05, so it may not have been good dont know good it still was . also he told me it was a form of hgh called susetenon which i never heard of and want s to charge me 2k for it??? is vitamin b-12 worth that much. Im a pretty ttrusting person , so i m wondering if im just being scammed? have you heard of sustenon, and know what forms it comes in?
nice pic btw how'd you get so ripped?