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    Vanadyl, ALA, Chromium Stack...>>>>>?

    hey bro's, one of my gym buddies has been taking a ALA, Vanadyl, and Chromium stack ( he bought each of those 3 items seperately) and looks way more vascular and muscular than b4..........what do you guys know about those 3 compounds and their effectiveness?? any of u guys try it? any opinions would be great! thanks again guys

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    all 3 of them increase insulin sensitivity and is awsome in that regard.

    However I will never again touch vanadyl after it put me into the hospital thinking I was gonna die. to bad since nothing ever gave me a pump that good as vanadyl first time I tried it. Feelt like the skin on my biceps was gonna burst.

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    also vanadyl and chrome are antagonists so they shouldnt be taken at the same time I recon

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    For some reason, I have yet to figure it out, vanadyl made my forearms break out. Watch for sides when taking vanadyl.

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    yea...vanadyl is sketchy... i'd stick to some chromium... great stuff...

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    i have been taking chromium and R-ALA to increase insulin sensitivity whilst bulking and eating a lot of pro/ carb meals

    but does anyone know if it worth takin either/or both of these with pro/fat meals

    ie - while cutting?

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    bump

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    I dont know how long the insulin sensitivity sticks around from those supplements but insulin sensitivity takes some time to increase or decrease so it wont hurt to take them.

    r-ala and chromiume is important for other reasons then insulins sensitivity aswell so go ahead and use them

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    whens is the best time to take them?

    i have always taken chromium and R-ALA with my PWO shake,

    but i have just read an article stating that chromium should be taken 20 mins before a carb meal to REDUCE carb sensitivity

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    reduce carb sensitivity what does that mean

    Im not sure about timing, I dont think it realy matters that much. Havent realy gotten into antioxidants like r-ala yet.

    Chromium works because it is a part of a hormon that works togheter with insulin . So chromium timing isnt a issue. Just make sure to take it every day and that should be cool.

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    i think they were trying to say that taking chromium before a carb meal reduces the impact of those carbs - ie keeping the rise in blood sugar to a minimum

    i was taking it PWO and thought if the above statement was true i would be unnescessarily decreasing my PWO insulin spike

    thats why i was concerned about the timing

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    anything that increases insulin sensitivity will decrease your insulin peak. But that isnt a bad thing since the lowered insulin peak is producing the same effect as a higher insulin peak since the sensitivity to insulin has increased.

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    whats so unsafe about vanadyl?

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    I dont know if its risky or not. But I am carefull about touching it again after what it did to my stomach. I probably was unlucky with a bad batch since I had used the same brand name and all before without a problem.

    vanadyl is a derivate of vanadium and vanadium is a antagonist to chromuim so using only vanadyl can screw with the blood sugar in a negative manner. I have also read that vanadium might be toxic in synthetic form and I assume vanadyl is such a form. It also lovers CoA levels and CoA is needed in the citric acid cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    anything that increases insulin sensitivity will decrease your insulin peak. But that isnt a bad thing since the lowered insulin peak is producing the same effect as a higher insulin peak since the sensitivity to insulin has increased.

    i'm confused

    should i continue taking r-ala and chromium with my PWO shake (pro/dex)?

    one other thing - is it a good idea to take R-ala with a pro fat meal
    i have only been using it with pro/carbs

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    Use your R-ALA with carb meals, and taking Chromium and R-ALA should be just fine. As far as I know Chromium will do little for your actual insulin spike but will help with your overall insulin sensitivity, as it is nessisary for insulin production. R-ALA works by increasing the amount of glycogen through GLUT4 elevation.

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    since the chromium works by beeing a part of a insulin regulating hormone the timing of chromium isnt that important. It doesnt have a imidiet effect in other words.

    But take the r-ala along with the pwo shake.

    if you take r-ala with pro/fat meal it will mostly be for its health benifits. It is after all the only antioxidant(except alcar)that can enter the cell mitochondria(sp?)

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