Tongkat ali

**Prime** · 10-03-2005, 03:07 PM

Ok i wrote this and then the page crashed

second attempt
the stuff i can find is 1:50
whats the upper and lower ceiling for doses?
how often should it be cycled?

**Bryan2** · 10-03-2005, 04:46 PM

well 50:1 is an the basic standardized doseage which basically means it took 50 grams to make 1 gram of powder.

when I was experimenting with it I found that 1 Gram of the 50:1 extract per day(obviously the high end of the scale) offered good test boosting effects but this was when you could find the powder for cheap.

They do however offer 100:1 and 200:1 as well but are significantly more expensive.

I would play around with your doses and see what suits you start with around 200mg per dose with the 50:1 extract and see how it effects you and move up from there.

The methods of action it uses are short lived though so try to dose around pre/post workout.

Even though it only has a few hours to work it actually frees up some test making it more bioavailble so it can be used for muscle building purposes.

**Testostack** · 10-03-2005, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

well 50:1 is an the basic standardized doseage which basically means it took 50 grams to make 1 gram of powder.

when I was experimenting with it I found that 1 Gram of the 50:1 extract per day(obviously the high end of the scale) offered good test boosting effects but this was when you could find the powder for cheap.

They do however offer 100:1 and 200:1 as well but are significantly more expensive.

I would play around with your doses and see what suits you start with around 200mg per dose with the 50:1 extract and see how it effects you and move up from there.

The methods of action it uses are short lived though so try to dose around pre/post workout.

Even though it only has a few hours to work it actually frees up some test making it more bioavailble so it can be used for muscle building purposes.

Hey Bryan! What's best, LJ-100 or Tongkat Ali 1:100?

**ginkobulloba** · 10-03-2005, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Testostack

Hey Bryan! What's best, LJ-100 or Tongkat Ali 1:100?

They sound like the exact same thing. the LJ-100 is just a brand name.

**Testostack** · 10-03-2005, 05:35 PM

ok thx dude

**Prime** · 10-04-2005, 05:46 AM

a gram huh?
so if i worked up to say 2-4g would that be overkill?
what about cycling it? i read somewhere it needs to be cycled.

**ginkobulloba** · 10-04-2005, 09:56 AM

I started off on a g a day, but I've since bumped it up, so I'm taking up to 4g a day. Next time I'm getting the 100:1 stuff, mine is 50:1. I don't know about the cycling idea. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea, just so your body doesn't become accustomed to it.

**Bryan2** · 10-04-2005, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Prime

a gram huh?
so if i worked up to say 2-4g would that be overkill?
what about cycling it? i read somewhere it needs to be cycled.

Well yeah everything looses effectiveness eventually

you should try activate by designer supps bro I know your not supposed to take an AI in the natty comps but you could go with the legal ATD supps like rebound or ultra hotter.

That stack would allow closer to juicing than anything currently possible most gain around 5-7 pounds in a 4 week cycle of it!!!

**Prime** · 10-05-2005, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

Well yeah everything looses effectiveness eventually

you should try activate by designer supps bro I know your not supposed to take an AI in the natty comps but you could go with the legal ATD supps like rebound or ultra hotter.

That stack would allow closer to juicing than anything currently possible most gain around 5-7 pounds in a 4 week cycle of it!!!

AI? whats that?

**ginkobulloba** · 10-05-2005, 09:43 AM

Aromatase inhibitor.

**ojsmoothy** · 10-05-2005, 10:22 AM

This is the best deal on Tongkat Ali I could find.

http://www.therootofthematter.ca/cgi...ootofthematter

Go towards the bottom and you can buy bulk powder. Its the LJ 100 brand, 100 grams to make 1 gram of powder. And its almost half the price of buying capsules, you would have to get a capper, but I think it's worth it. I am seriously contemplating trying this out as its a more holistic approach to test. increase.

**scm007** · 10-05-2005, 11:33 AM

Dude, that price sucks.

**puttinonpoinds** · 10-05-2005, 01:50 PM

well whats the best price u found?

**scm007** · 10-05-2005, 06:10 PM

I haven't, that stuff seems too expensive to be worth it. $35 for 10 grams at 1 gram a day, you do the math. I mean if the supp was REALLY good it might be worth it, but I have a feeling that just isn't.

**ojsmoothy** · 10-06-2005, 11:10 AM

I don't think you would really need a whole gram a day, and I think your supposed to take weekends off.

**Bryan2** · 10-06-2005, 01:01 PM

Well an effective blend for beginning would just be around 100-200mg twice daily around pre/post workout.

I stated that my G plus dose was at the high end of the scale.

the problem with tongat lies with its short active life leaving higher test levels for only around 2-3 hours.

**ojsmoothy** · 10-06-2005, 01:45 PM

Bryan 2- How long does tribulus raise test levels vs tongcat? Have you found a better price than the link I posted earlier?

**Bryan2** · 10-06-2005, 08:51 PM

tribulus doesnt really raise test levels from any study I have EVER read but these are all due to inadequate dosing.

But from anecdotal and person experience I would have to say around 45mins for tribulus.

**SABAGOY** · 10-09-2005, 08:17 PM

If taking around your workout how soon before or after would be best?

**ginkobulloba** · 10-10-2005, 12:10 AM

I take about 500mg about 45m-1hr before working out, and also 45-1hr after.

**G-13** · 10-10-2005, 12:30 AM

I bought my tong on ebay 50:1 500mg 60 caps for $25

I thought it was a good deal

**ginkobulloba** · 10-10-2005, 12:45 AM

That's the same deal I got, but I just got some dynadrol for $40 off ebay yesterday. I've heard this stuff is the holy grail of tongkat, so I'm looking forward to it.