birthdefects??

**clements22** · 05-30-2006, 03:45 PM

can steroids cause birthdefects?

**taiboxa** · 05-30-2006, 03:47 PM

i dunno ... my workout partner had both his kids cycle and they are perfect.. jimdandy lil fellos

**shortie** · 05-30-2006, 03:56 PM

AAS use by males does not increase the likelyhood of birthdefects, the same cannot be said of women using AAS.

**clements22** · 05-30-2006, 04:50 PM

so there is no documented history of birthdefects via use of steroids ?

**juicepig** · 05-30-2006, 05:31 PM

Yeah but you never kno they could end up being short when their older!

**oldman** · 05-30-2006, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by juicepig

Yeah but you never kno they could end up being short when their older!

Based on what research? Why would this be? Just curious as I have never heard of any link between AAS and BD's.

thanks

~Old

**tobetutz** · 05-30-2006, 06:27 PM

No problems here, wife and I made one while I was on and everything is fine.

**juicepig** · 05-30-2006, 11:01 PM

I was talking to my doctor about steroids , and he said like most illegal chemical drugs steroids can change your DNA patterns, i asked him if it would have any affect on what your kids would look like and he said its possible.

**oldman** · 05-31-2006, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by juicepig

I was talking to my doctor about steroids, and he said like most illegal chemical drugs steroids can change your DNA patterns, i asked him if it would have any affect on what your kids would look like and he said its possible.

WOW.. I am not expert but that sounds pretty far fetched to me. No biggie I suppose.. I think many doctors think they have a grasp on AAS but they really are clueless on it. I would love to see his studies on DNA mutations because we could be seeing tons of cases with the amount of AAS being used over the years.

Again not directed at you I just don't get these doctors answers without proof.

~Old

**taiboxa** · 05-31-2006, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by oldman

WOW.. I am not expert but that sounds pretty far fetched to me. No biggie I suppose.. I think many doctors think they have a grasp on AAS but they really are clueless on it. I would love to see his studies on DNA mutations because we could be seeing tons of cases with the amount of AAS being used over the years.

Again not directed at you I just don't get these doctors answers without proof.

~Old

u know what they call someone who graduates from medschool w/ all D's

DOCTOR! ...

**oldman** · 05-31-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

u know what they call someone who graduates from medschool w/ all D's

DOCTOR! ...

very good Tai.. That is why they keep "practicing medicine".

How is school going buddy??

~Old

**taiboxa** · 05-31-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by oldman

very good Tai.. That is why they keep "practicing medicine".

How is school going buddy??

~Old

school is STUPID!

**Booz** · 05-31-2006, 01:41 PM

2 of my 4 children were born during a cycle..............nothin wrtong here....

**taiboxa** · 05-31-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

2 of my 4 children were born during a cycle..............nothin wrtong here....

i think they are too cute to be yours!

**Booz** · 05-31-2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

i think they are too cute to be yours!

so do i....

**Pinnacle** · 05-31-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by clements22

can steroids cause birthdefects?

MY three-legged child doesn't seem to think so.Nor does other with a hand growing out his forehead.Whats abnormal to one,is totally normal to another

~Pinnacle~

**Mesomorphyl** · 05-31-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by juicepig

I was talking to my doctor about steroids, and he said like most illegal chemical drugs steroids can change your DNA patterns, i asked him if it would have any affect on what your kids would look like and he said its possible.

Your doctor>

<Smart Doctors

**Mesomorphyl** · 05-31-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

MY three-legged child doesn't seem to think so

~Pinnacle~

Thats not a leg... he took after uncle meso.

**Pinnacle** · 05-31-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Thats not a leg... he took after uncle meso.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha....so no shoe then?just a sock... as in cock-sock?

~Pinnacle~

**Mesomorphyl** · 05-31-2006, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha....so no shoe then?just a sock... as in cock-sock?

~Pinnacle~

**oldman** · 05-31-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Thats not a leg... he took after uncle meso.

That's called a kickstand where I come from

AKA Dam lucky!!!

~Old

**juicepig** · 05-31-2006, 03:04 PM

maybe true i dont know.. but he said drugs like cocaine, exctasy and STEROIDS can change your DNA patterns. its a scary thing to think about!

**taiboxa** · 05-31-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by juicepig

maybe true i dont know.. but he said drugs like cocaine, exctasy and STEROIDS can change your DNA patterns. its a scary thing to think about!

change.. DNA patterns?!
code?
like HOW rofl... go take molecular genetics and u will see how much bullshit he is talking

**arnold_of_malta** · 05-31-2006, 03:15 PM

so if the dna chances what can happen?????? all i am afraid from steriod is cancer those it increase the chance of it??????

**taiboxa** · 05-31-2006, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by arnold_of_malta

so if the dna chances what can happen?????? all i am afraid from steriod is cancer those it increase the chance of it??????

if ur DNA changes everything changes ur dna controls every aspect about you..
its ur genetic make up.. piss u my grow a vagina and purple hair

**juicepig** · 05-31-2006, 03:27 PM

im gonna research this.. i dont think it sounds that far from the truth

**Mesomorphyl** · 06-01-2006, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by juicepig

im gonna research this.. i dont think it sounds that far from the truth

Is your doctor free??? I mean with healthcare the way it is there is no need for doctors to try and be the best as they are paid the same, right?

Come bud, think about what you are saying. If this is true a can of cola would change your DNA? So popeye the sailor might have had it right... if you eats your spinach youll be fine to the finish. What happens if you get bit by a spider??? turn into spiderman? Do you understand how ludicrist this is sounding?

**taiboxa** · 06-01-2006, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Is your doctor free??? I mean with healthcare the way it is there is no need for doctors to try and be the best as they are paid the same, right?

Come bud, think about what you are saying. If this is true a can of cola would change your DNA? So popeye the sailor might have had it right... if you eats your spinach youll be fine to the finish. What happens if you get bit by a spider??? turn into spiderman? Do you understand how ludicrist this is sounding?

i got bit by a spider.. IT did nothingfor me but HURT

**shortie** · 06-01-2006, 05:19 PM

Here ya go-

Joosten HF, van Acker FA, van den Dobbelsteen DJ, Horbach GJ, Krajnc EI.

Department of Toxicology and Drug Disposition, Organon, P.O. Box 20, 5340 BH Oss, The Netherlands. [email protected]

Hormonal steroids have a widespread use in medicine and their side effects are continuously debated. The possible genotoxic activity of steroids has been the subject of many investigations. The natural estrogens estradiol, estrone and estriol are generally negative in the ICH core battery of tests, but several positive results have been obtained when using additional endpoints of genotoxicity. The genotoxic activity of the 4-hydroxy metabolites of estradiol and estrone is well established. The synthetic steroidal estrogens have a comparable profile of negative and positive test results. Cyproterone acetate and some of its analogues have a special position within the group of progestins. Their genotoxic potential has been established. Other progestins are generally negative in the routine tests. Anti-glucocorticoids, anti-progestins, corticosteroids, androgens, anabolics and anti-androgens appear to be devoid of genotoxic activities. The genotoxic potential of estradiol, estrone and cyproterone acetate with its analogues may play no role under normal physiological and therapeutic conditions. The metabolic conditions that are needed for the formation of DNA-reactive metabolites and oxygen radicals may not be present in humans. Epidemiological cancer data seem to support this view. The importance of thresholds in the dose-effect-relationship of genotoxicity data and their use in risk assessment is discussed.

**taiboxa** · 06-01-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by shortie

Here ya go-

Joosten HF, van Acker FA, van den Dobbelsteen DJ, Horbach GJ, Krajnc EI.

Department of Toxicology and Drug Disposition, Organon, P.O. Box 20, 5340 BH Oss, The Netherlands. [email protected]

Hormonal steroids have a widespread use in medicine and their side effects are continuously debated. The possible genotoxic activity of steroids has been the subject of many investigations. The natural estrogens estradiol, estrone and estriol are generally negative in the ICH core battery of tests, but several positive results have been obtained when using additional endpoints of genotoxicity. The genotoxic activity of the 4-hydroxy metabolites of estradiol and estrone is well established. The synthetic steroidal estrogens have a comparable profile of negative and positive test results. Cyproterone acetate and some of its analogues have a special position within the group of progestins. Their genotoxic potential has been established. Other progestins are generally negative in the routine tests. Anti-glucocorticoids, anti-progestins, corticosteroids, androgens, anabolics and anti-androgens appear to be devoid of genotoxic activities. The genotoxic potential of estradiol, estrone and cyproterone acetate with its analogues may play no role under normal physiological and therapeutic conditions. The metabolic conditions that are needed for the formation of DNA-reactive metabolites and oxygen radicals may not be present in humans. Epidemiological cancer data seem to support this view. The importance of thresholds in the dose-effect-relationship of genotoxicity data and their use in risk assessment is discussed.

why dont u elaborate on that for us

**shortie** · 06-01-2006, 05:23 PM

Genotoxic activities-anything that affects/damages chromosomal structures. Any changes in chormosomal makeup would potentially be passed on to offspring, so a substance with no "genotoxic activities" would not be causing birth defects.