No difference from cycle and PCT

**manwitplans** · 08-02-2009, 05:57 AM

Well the topic says it all.
I really can't see or feel any difference from when I was "on".
Im in my first week of pct.

Nolva/clomi

About 3 weeks since last injection of test.

I feel fine, fine sex drive, okey energy (a little low calories, on it's way up).

So what ya think?

**Undercover** · 08-02-2009, 06:53 AM

- fake gear
- diet and workout not in check
- there's a difference that you yourself don't notice

some before and after pics would help.

**manwitplans** · 08-02-2009, 07:39 AM

I packed on plenty of meat trust you me, don't want to put up pictures are this point.
The gear was real, I could tell it coming it.

But hey.. I can't complain about this :P

**patch1334** · 08-04-2009, 06:01 AM

You contradict your own post :S

**TITANIUM** · 08-04-2009, 11:08 AM

I think he means that, he doesn't feel the difference from being on gear and then PCT.

I don't know what gear you cycled, but you probably have alot of gear still in your system.This would explain your situation.If you don't go through post cycle crash, then your one of the lucky few.Wait a few more weeks, and then re-post your results.

**manwitplans** · 08-04-2009, 02:05 PM

^^ Yep+ that was what I ment.

Yep will give it another few weeks before, and chime in

**seriousmass** · 08-04-2009, 05:04 PM

Just wait it out.. you did a testosterone only cycle, meaning you didn't shut your natty-test down very hard at all (compared to when throwing a 19-nor into the mix) You should feel very little PCT-depression from such a light cycle.

After week 3 I find I got acne from the SERMS playing havoc with my estrogen / test levels. Also, you will begin to see any water you're holding shed off slowly during the next month or so. Don't be foolish and assume you're going to maintain 100% of your gains; you'll be lucky if you retain 50% of the weight gained after this PCT + time off is completed.

**Swifto** · 08-05-2009, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

Just wait it out.. you did a testosterone only cycle, meaning you didn't shut your natty-test down very hard at all (compared to when throwing a 19-nor into the mix) You should feel very little PCT-depression from such a light cycle.

Where do you get this shit? Seriously?

When your shutdown, your shutdown. You cant be a little bit shutdown or not. You can be inhibited, but there arnt any varying degrees of shutdown.

Recovery from a testosterone based cycle can be VERY hard for some and easy for others. Just like some recovery fine from using 19-Nor's. Your statement is misleading.

Originally Posted by seriousmass

After week 3 I find I got acne from the SERMS playing havoc with my estrogen / test levels. Also, you will begin to see any water you're holding shed off slowly during the next month or so. Don't be foolish and assume you're going to maintain 100% of your gains; you'll be lucky if you retain 50% of the weight gained after this PCT + time off is completed.

If you keep "50% of your gains" post cycle and the time peroid afterwards, your diet is out. Yeah, you'll lose some of those gains if you dont cycle for a VERY long time afterwards. But stating you'll "be lucky to keep 50% of your gains" is rubbish.

Many people keep all their gains whilst some only keep around 70-80% if their diet and training is correct.

**manwitplans** · 08-05-2009, 07:29 AM

For the record I did

12 - Weeks 350mg test-e, bulking
8 - weeks 250mg test-e, cutting

All this in the same cycle (20 weeks).

Originally Posted by seriousmass

Just wait it out.. you did a testosterone only cycle, meaning you didn't shut your natty-test down very hard at all (compared to when throwing a 19-nor into the mix) You should feel very little PCT-depression from such a light cycle.

After week 3 I find I got acne from the SERMS playing havoc with my estrogen / test levels. Also, you will begin to see any water you're holding shed off slowly during the next month or so. Don't be foolish and assume you're going to maintain 100% of your gains; you'll be lucky if you retain 50% of the weight gained after this PCT + time off is completed.

Originally Posted by Swifto

Where do you get this shit? Seriously?

When your shutdown, your shutdown. You cant be a little bit shutdown or not. You can be inhibited, but there arnt any varying degrees of shutdown.

Recovery from a testosterone based cycle can be VERY hard for some and easy for others. Just like some recovery fine from using 19-Nor's. Your statement is misleading.

If you keep "50% of your gains" post cycle and the time peroid afterwards, your diet is out. Yeah, you'll lose some of those gains if you dont cycle for a VERY long time afterwards. But stating you'll "be lucky to keep 50% of your gains" is rubbish.

Many people keep all their gains whilst some only keep around 70-80% if their diet and training is correct.

It's now been... Let's see.
3.5 weeks total since last inj.
9 days into PCT. (Clomid, nolva..) 50mg, 20mg..

I'm feeling fine still. Let's give it another week or two and check back

**aestheticmind** · 08-06-2009, 12:39 PM

you're lucky man...

i'm one week into PCT and i swear to god i'm feeling like such a little bitch it's not even funny. i'm really depressed, moody, and emotional. it is a complete 180 from what i felt like on cycle.