Dianabol and Test-E cycle. Dont see much of a difference..

[Isley]

Great 6th post you ****ing dusche!!!!!!!

Come on...

[nombie]

Come on...

To late to edit your post! I read the origional....................Already offended me!!!!!

[Isley]

To late to edit your post! I read the origional....................Already offended me!!!!!

Good then i hope you were the only one reading it. Edited it because i in compare to you i dont want to contribute to negative and unnecessary posts. This is internet, just because you can be rude doesnt mean you have to be it.

[RANA]

35 when I started, damn I'm a fool. I should have started at 15

[Hard.On]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

This is a joke right
You should have checked the boards everyday for months before you started your cycle. Even though you are young/ This is the crapiest diet and workout routine ive seen in a while.

You should start PCT yesterday

and those 10 pounds were water reten. fromn the dbol

you will be losing that and more by the time your done.

[Big]

my roomate sold steroids when I was 20 and I ran my first cycle in my 30's.

[dangerous dan]

to the OP im your age.... stop being a panzie

[Alex Rodriguez]

I started a test e (500mg/w)+ dianabol (50mg/day) cycle. In the first week i took about 10 lbs and i got psychological effects such as more energy, power feeling, more confidence and such. But since then i didn't increase. my weight's been at 166 for the last 5 days, i workout daily, eat way more than enough....what's wrong?

ive started my first CC 16 days ago.

first of all at 16 days only d-bol has taken affect, test e is gonna take at least 2 more weeks and at the most 4.

[doctorb325]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

I'm sure your getting pretty steamed about how people are ripping you apart, but let me give you some honest and sincere advice. Please take time to consider this over, I'm not trying to give you bad advice or screw you over (nobody here is) we are just trying to tell you what works and what doesn't from our own experience.

At age 19, you are still producing a very high level of natural testosterone . To tell the truth, I'm only 21, I've been training for 9 years, and my test is still very high compared to many others. This irritates many people because they feel like taking steroids is just flat out unnecessary. Also, at 157 pounds, you can still pack on MUCH MUCH more weight naturally. In fact, with correct training and diet, you could be seeing visible gains and improvements in size and strength every month or two NO JOKE. I have an extremely ectomorphic body type, I eat 5-7 thousand calories a day and I still am having trouble breaking 210 pounds at 6'0", so i know for a fact that for you to weigh at least 190 with a single digit body fat percentage isn't asking too much.

Your problem is most likely in your training. You need to train LESS frequently every week, with fewer sets per body part but MUCH MUCH more intensity and perfect form. I mean train with an intensity so that you can not make one more honest rep without your muscles failing. This will give you growth. Your muscles do not grow unless they are given a task beyond their means, so they have to adapt. If you train very intensely three times a week, with plenty of recuperation time in between workouts, you will gain faster than if you misused steroids and trained poorly. The problem is that genetically normal people like you and me don't recover as fast as naturally muscular and mesomorphic people. They will pack on muscle and recover MUCH faster than the normal person. You simply can not follow a workout routine of living in the gym 2 hours everyday without burning out your body and lowering your own natural testosterone significantly by overtraining. This philosophy is even used by Dorian Yates and Mike Mentzer.

The second part is your diet. It is necessary to up your calorie intake by AT LEAST 2000 calories everyday while on cycle for bulking purposes. You should already be eating much more than you are. After all, the steroids don't actually turn into muscle, it is good quality food that does. If you can not eat that much because you don't have time or enough money to afford the groceries, I recommend that you get the recipe for good weight gaining protein shake with plenty of natural fruits. Don't waste your money on weight gainers from GNC when you can make the same thing in your blender for half the cost.

It's a given that you're already on cycle, so I assume you plan on finishing this cycle at least. Okay, well at least correct your training and diet intake. After this cycle, I really feel as if you have no need to use gear for at least a few more years until you have reached what is your own GENETIC NATURAL MAXIMUM. Otherwise it is a waste of gear. Is it really worth playing with fire when you could achieve the same results much more safely??? The reason is: If you don't know how to train and diet correctly off cycle, you will promptly lose a good 30-50% if not more of your gains once you come OFF cycle. I have seen this happen in my gym all the time. Guys blow up on cycle, throw up huge weights, a few months later they're skinny and weak again.

[lovbyts]

I dont think the OP is mature enough to think about things reasonable and has just moved on to find another board that wont care about his age or health. Im sure he is going to continue using but will probably be back eventually when he starts to develop problems. Hopefully he will use the same user name so we can point to this old thread....

[Okinawa_Power]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

Young man your diet looks like you are trying to lose weight... You need to start eating like a ****ing man and you might make some gains......

[Nooomoto]

1. To young
2. You workout for 2 hours? Why?
3. To young
4. Not eating nearly enough
5. To young

Want to know why we say you are to young? Because you didn't take time to properly research what you're doing, and just went ahead and did it. This is how we KNOW you are to young. Anyone who knows anything about lifting knows that 2 hours is over-training. At that point you're just taking steps back.

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

[Exilus]

1. To young
2. You workout for 2 hours? Why?
3. To young
4. Not eating nearly enough
5. To young

Want to know why we say you are to young? Because you didn't take time to properly research what you're doing, and just went ahead and did it. This is how we KNOW you are to young. Anyone who knows anything about lifting knows that 2 hours is over-training. At that point you're just taking steps back.

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

1 hour workout
20 mins abs
40 mins cardio.

Thats fine.

[taiboxa]

1 hour workout
20 mins abs
40 mins cardio.

Thats fine.

WTF?! 20min ABS?! ok BillyBanks.. but if you were a pro you'd know about 7MinuteAbs!!

anyways i do cardio when doing resistance training but i'd never do 40min of cardio thats idiotic and counter productive..

im going to level w/ you here.. i read this entire thread.. there is alot of bandwaggon parroting going on but in all honesty..

YOU LACK COMPLETE BODYBUILDING KNOWLEDGE.. in about 4-5years you will click and be like WTF was i doing.. but regardless of what you see/read/do now.. it will not matter. this is NOT something you can can learn from hearing or seeing.. this is a "learned experience" and you will just have to go through it your self... its sad to say but your going to regret about 80% of the things you have said/done at this point in time of your life but what ever.. we all make mistakes so chalk it up as a loss (later on) and hopefully you can learn from these present mistakes. anyways your being a total retard and your diet sucks balls and wouldnt even work for that of a 12yr old girlscout

[hektikk]

19 is not too young.... (calm the fuk down u old guys)
its only too young cos MOST 19y.o dont know enough

OP.. your diet is sh*thouse
- ur training is sh*thouse

ur an idiot

[gymfu]

im also 5-10 started at 140lbs and got to 206lbs without aas, took 10 years and i didnt get serious about diet and supps till about the last 2 years.
the food is undoubly the hardest part, and took me time to force my body to eat that much.

[Exilus]

This thread is almost 6 months old. No need to necro it to bash me.

[hektikk]

This thread is almost 6 months old. No need to necro it to bash me.

lulz, i didnt know that

how did ur cycle go?

show us the results brah

[Exilus]

lulz, i didnt know that

how did ur cycle go?

show us the results brah

First cycle.

Starting weight 157.
End weight 192.
3 months after PCT weight: 185.

Second cycle.
Starting weight: 185
Current weight: 209
Still 10 weeks on-cycle to go.

Its going well.

[hektikk]

First cycle.

Starting weight 157.
End weight 192.
3 months after PCT weight: 185.

Second cycle.
Starting weight: 185
Current weight: 209
Still 10 weeks on-cycle to go.

Its going well.

yep, at first i was like looking at ur back photo

that kid cant be 157!?

good job brah

im planning to start one at 18/19, hopefully will be as successful as urs

[cobra305]

Awesome now other idiots your age are going to destroy their bodies to. You are the man Exilus!

[ironflames]

i agree fully with diet. my first cycle was test cyp/decca and at first my diet wasnt shit and i wasnt seeing anything, then my connect started coaching me along and next thing i knew i was 30lbs bigger, and kept 25 of them post cycle. currently on tren /prop and my diet is wild...i just got finished eating 10 egg whites, 6oz piece of salmon, 1/2 cup oatmeal with protein powder mixed in for taste. (this is my pre sleep meal) and then i wake up at 4am to eat again! haha nutrition nutrition nutrition

[hektikk]

Awesome now other idiots your age are going to destroy their bodies to. You are the man Exilus!

u saying that exilus is gunna have problems down the road?

[Exilus]

Im sharing my personnal experience. I have never incitated anyone to follow my path.

[thisbmine]

When you do find someone who has used steroids between 18-22 they will most likely tell you that they wish they didn't.....

Listen...... People don't tell you ignorant lazy kids to stay natural until 24/25 to keep you down. It's not a big conspiracy to keep the world small while we get bigger...... IT'S FOR YOUR OWN FVCKING HEALTH!

If you don't like the answer then goto another board..... let someone there tell you that it's ok..... run your cycle..... and then find out down the road that you need to be on HRT and your insurance wont pay for the $250 bottle of testosterone , the $180 HCG , or the $150 clomid. It'll serve you right.....

and remember..... because you didn't take the advice of someone who knew better..... you're stuck with paying those high costs for the rest of your life. If you can't afford it..... guess what..... low testosterone until you CAN afford it..... hope it's worth it.....

~Haz~

This doesnt help those with Free medical treatment (and sus, on prescription with medical rebate is 5 bux a pop in au.)

I get your point though and am in NO WAY saying "go ahead". just if he isnt in north america your whole comment could be mute.

[CMB]

LOL, I just spent 20mins reading this entire thread. This is what I have concluded...

1. OP is an ignorant, immature, 19 year old retarded bodybuilder that will be on HRT for the rest of his life.

2. Now, he is just about bragging of his success and now some 15 year old will think "it worked for him it will work for me"

3. 5 years from now this guy will be asking how to get his thing up.

4. Tai is my hero for bringing up this thread.

[Big]

I'll interject this for what it's worth:
I'm about to turn 43, and I wish I knew even half as much now as I thought I knew when I was 19.

[breakbones]

How have you been lifting for 3 years and only weigh in at 157 at 5'10?

Something is wrong bro, gear ain't the answer.

But I don't care its your life do what you want to do. You will learn sooner or later, some people just have to learn the hard way to learn their lesson, I had to.

GOOD CATCH!

[hektikk]

asdasdas

[lovbyts]

yep, at first i was like looking at ur back photo

that kid cant be 157!?

good job brah

im planning to start one at 18/19, hopefully will be as successful as urs

In other words besides being an idiot, thinking you laready know more than people who have been here for years and have years of experience you are NOT 18 yet. Nice.

Bye

[hektikk]

In other words besides being an idiot, thinking you laready know more than people who have been here for years and have years of experience you are NOT 18 yet. Nice.

Bye

i am 18... when i said i wanna start at 18/19 i meant towards the end of 18 (i.e at the end of the year, when im still 18)


come at me bro

[AndriodLee]

Most sexual disfunctionnements does not scare me. I am physiologically and psychologically unable to have attirance and/or sex.

And HRT is nothing beside prescribed steroids . So if im diagnostised with HRT (and thats quite a big IF), ill just go on roids for life. Shouldn't be that much of a problem.


Its ok now for the question. After 18 days the effects seem to have kicked in. Took a sudden 5 lbs and got 20% more powerful in gym.

Listen to yourself man... Your out of control, and everybody here is trying to help you from crashing. Be careful, and wise up because the path your headed right now is not going to be as kind to you as all of the senior members on this forum. Think about it .

[Matt]

Over here we call these kids that put that weight on so fast water boy's...

[andre300]

i am 18... when i said i wanna start at 18/19 i meant towards the end of 18 (i.e at the end of the year, when im still 18)


come at me bro

Idiot, u grow till around the age of 21-25, by taking gear in that time, there is a huge possibility you will stunt your growth and a even better posibility that by the time you are 30, getting a hardon, not even even to speak about having kids, would almost be impossible.

Kids like you are giving the rest of the bodybuilding comunity( steroid users) a bad rep.

Be patient, do the natural thing till ur a bit older and wiser.

[taiboxa]

This thread is almost 6 months old. No need to necro it to bash me.

i only necro'd it because i wanted to use the
"7 Minute ABS!!"

[dec11]

jesus, i grew like a weed at your age and didnt touch gear until 32

[panntastic]

A conspiracy to keep the world small while you grow big ha ha ha Haz man you crack me up! Op please listen to these guys they have helped me with so much and they can you don't be another know it all looser soak this infor like a sponge its free learning man! And I know this is a old thread revisited and I read you've done a second cycle man I hope you get permo decca dick what a looser I hope the admin ban people like you for ruining the learning process for the rest of us!

[cherrydrpepper]

Am I the only person seriously f n irked that the OP doesn't do squats or deadlifts

[AlphaMaleDawg]

i am 18... when i said i wanna start at 18/19 i meant towards the end of 18 (i.e at the end of the year, when im still 18)


come at me bro

miscer detected

[hektikk]

miscer detected

lulz, u mirin' brah?

u misc as well?