In the US, never talk to the police, even if you are innocent

[QuadPower]

The good professor of law, Dr. James Duane, and police officer, George Bruch, explain why in these videos:

http://www.tuccille.com/blog/2008/07...-shouldnt.html

Guys, this is one of the nicest talks I have heard, on this topic. It may be a little long, but totally worth it IMO. Bottom line, just STFU, no exceptions!! Perhaps we should sticky this?

[inky-e]

Wrong forum for that.

[JiGGaMaN]

Ha, you would think people would know better than to talk to the police. Never a good idea.

[jstraw428]

I dated a cop once.......and we talk all the time.......

[wilson9d]

the only thing to say to the police ever is i want an Attorney

[bd50]

lol,, such cop-haters... until you're wife is home alone, you're at work, and some pos is trying to kick in your front door...

then we wish the most juiced up cops are working that night, and get to your house ASAFP..

[Voice of Reason]

agree

[40plusnewbie]

lol,, such cop-haters... until you're wife is home alone, you're at work, and some pos is trying to kick in your front door...

then we wish the most juiced up cops are working that night, and get to your house ASAFP..

If cops jobs were restricted to responding to property crimes and crimes of violence I doubt too many people would have complaints about them.

But when it is routine for cops to be in people's business to give out tickets and they talk to people like they are barking orders at a dog they bring on all the hate themselves.

If they are not mature enough or otherwise unable to have emotional control the way a social worker or drug counselor is when dealing with people who act ignorant then they deserve to be fired.

Worse yet, when they bark orders and talk like a dickhead to people while passing out speeding tickets they are acting no better than some gangland hood on the streetcorner, behaving in a very disrespectful manner and throwing their weight around on a power trip.

It's simple really. If all cops did was respond to calls for reports of rape, wife beatings, bank robberies, etc then all of society would love them. They would be loved for being rapid responders to life threatening emergency situations.
But when they carry that additude over in dealing with non life threatening situations dealing with non violent people and people who do not steal....they instigate hate on themselves.

That's why people don't like cops. I've only met 2 in my life that were emotionally stable and about 30 or more who are dickheads on and off the job.

A dickhead is a dickhead. A dickhead with a badge and a gun is a menace to society

[bd50]

If cops jobs were restricted to responding to property crimes and crimes of violence I doubt too many people would have complaints about them.

But when it is routine for cops to be in people's business to give out tickets and they talk to people like they are barking orders at a dog they bring on all the hate themselves.

If they are not mature enough or otherwise unable to have emotional control the way a social worker or drug counselor is when dealing with people who act ignorant then they deserve to be fired.

Worse yet, when they bark orders and talk like a dickhead to people while passing out speeding tickets they are acting no better than some gangland hood on the streetcorner, behaving in a very disrespectful manner and throwing their weight around on a power trip.

It's simple really. If all cops did was respond to calls for reports of rape, wife beatings, bank robberies, etc then all of society would love them. They would be loved for being rapid responders to life threatening emergency situations.
But when they carry that additude over in dealing with non life threatening situations dealing with non violent people and people who do not steal....they instigate hate on themselves.

That's why people don't like cops. I've only met 2 in my life that were emotionally stable and about 30 or more who are dickheads on and off the job.

A dickhead is a dickhead. A dickhead with a badge and a gun is a menace to society

good post.

[glamazonprince]

true cop stroy-these off duty cops were used as security for like 30 of us who were in this fashion show at this club-well they escorted us back to our hotel-and 3 of them ended up hangin out with us and partied-they did EVERYTHING right along with us--one of the guys that was party with us ended up being pulled over about a month later and it was one of the cops who hung out with us all-well he thought ohh hes cool-i wont get a ticket-the SOB not only gave hm a ticket but searched the vehicle and arrested him for having 2 freakin lortab on him that wasnt prescribed-I HATEEEE COPS-i so wish someone had taken a camera phone pic of him partying while we had the chance-guy had to get a lawyer for that stupid possesion charge-

[quadsofsteel]

yeaa thank God for cops when you need em... but when they go a quota to fill, id imagine they can be complete asses. for Example: one time in the subway in New York, a transit cop was just up the subway steps of the train platform and some kid in a group of "thugs" yelled up to the cop "**ck the police!! the train arives and everybody including me boards the train. The cop runs down the steps and onto the train and tells the conductor not to close the dorrs or drive. he yells "who the f*ck said that!!! he starts grabbing at people and forcingly pulling, pushing and throwing kids off the train. he was fu**ing pissed!!! next, he calls for backup and another four cops come running down the subway within 30 seconds and tells everybody to get off the train and line up against the wall. of course i snuck into the second train car because i didnt do anything wrong. but either way.... that what that cop did was illegal, assault on people that did nothing because he was insulted. hell, if half those kids didnt have weed on them, they probly would have the balls to sue. true story

[40plusnewbie]

It's friggin sad really. I could tell you some stories.....

Back in the 1970's, before the drug war really got up and running, cops used to walk beats and interact with all of the local store owners and patrons in a curtious, polite, and FRIENDLY manner, believe it or not. He would smile and greet people by name, and people would do likewise to him. They would have conversations, friendly ones, with the police officer. People felt safe and comfortable having the cop around and also while interacting with him. I was a small boy at this time but remember it well. People did not hate cops back then. Sure, some of them were still assh*les, but that is true with any profession. The way they generally dealt with minor issues, say teenagers drinking, or vandalizing, etc wasn't to arrest them but was to act as a substitute father and scold them and councel them to try to put them on the right track. They would contact the parents and try to mediate something between the parents and whoseever property was vandalized so that the property owner was satisfied, the kids made restitution, and they didn't get a record that followed them around for the rest of their lives.

They also treated citizens respectfully if they pulled them over to give a ticket, or a warning. They didn't bark at them as if talking to a dog. That is common and expected today.

I've crossed paths with hundreds of cops in my adult life while they are in a store or on the subway platform, or whatever and 99% of the time they have a look on their face like not only are they not approachable, but they are like a guard standing watch over the enemy, or a prison guard monitoring prisoners while they are all in the dining hall eating.

Only 1 time in my adult life have I had a friendly conversation with a cop who was open and easy going and laughing and joking and interacting with me and other people in the store (yes it was a donut shop lol) like he was a regular likeable human being. He also seemed oblivious to his partner who was not interacting with anyone and standing at attention with that reserved assh*le look on his face. I heard him speak briefly and his tone was harsh and like he was in command of the donut shop. I think it was very painful for that cop to stand there silent while his partner was joking with me and the women working behind the counter and then talked with me for like 1/2 hour about his friendly charming way with women (I was asking him questions and he was giving me the low down on how he runs his game...not as a dickhead but swave game that would never leave a woman regretting having sex with him whether it was a one night stand, a fling, or whatever). He was a very likeable person.

I've also occasionally come across police officers who won't give you that stone look if you make eye contact with them and say hello, they will have an at easy look, relaxed and greet you back in a friendly manner and be open for a little chit chat should you desire to do that.

But the overwhelming majority of the time they look like they are on patrol in an occupied country, like a soldier in an army that has recently taken over another country and is on patrol there....Certainly doesn't make me feel 'protected or served'. Makes me feel like I am the enemy in their eyes and in their hearts and minds.

[bd50]

well also crime has increased substantially across the country since the 1970's,, so maybe that's why alot of them feel the need to act like assholeees on the street or be more abrasive with the public at times.

i understand they have a hard and stressful job,, but they still should not treat EVERYONE like the enemy for no valid reason, as stated above.

[DeputyLoneWolf]

well also crime has increased substantially across the country since the 1970's,, so maybe that's why alot of them feel the need to act like assholeees on the street or be more abrasive with the public at times.

i understand they have a hard and stressful job,, but they still should not treat EVERYONE like the enemy for no valid reason, as stated above.

Good post, I'm a cop and I totally agree.

[FallenWyvern]

well also crime has increased substantially across the country since the 1970's,, so maybe that's why alot of them feel the need to act like assholeees on the street or be more abrasive with the public at times.

i understand they have a hard and stressful job,, but they still should not treat EVERYONE like the enemy for no valid reason, as stated above.

Technically violent crime has been dropping off since 1991.

[40plusnewbie]

well also crime has increased substantially across the country since the 1970's,, so maybe that's why alot of them feel the need to act like assholeees on the street or be more abrasive with the public at times.

i understand they have a hard and stressful job,, but they still should not treat EVERYONE like the enemy for no valid reason, as stated above.

The reason 'crime' has increased substantially across the country since the 1970's is directly related to the 'War on Drugs.'

Crime increased substantially when the 'war on alcohol' was instituted via prohibition back early in the last century as well. When the government criminalizes a product what happens is that they turn over the production and sales of that product to mafia or mafia-esque organizations.

When a product is legal the manufactures and salesmen of the product have the protection of the police, courts, and jails to manage problems they encounter. Someone robs them and they call 911 and a convoy of cops are immediately dispatched to the location to catch the burgler. If he gets away dectectives are called in who are experts and have the cooperation of basically everyone in society to assist them in apprehending the violator. The costs for the cops, the detectives, the courts, and jails are all externalized (i.e. the business that was robbed does not have to bear the cost of all of the hunting, capture, trial, punnishment of the violator, it is externalized onto all businesses and all customers, basically everyone pays a little whether they like it or not via taxes).

When a black market operation is robbed they CAN NOT call the cops. They know this. Robbers also know this. If I am a professional armed robber and have an organized and professional crew, one that only takes big jobs, who do you think we are going to rob? On the one hand we can rob an armored car for a big score. If we do that we have dozens of cops who have a central communications network hunting for us within minutes. They can disregard speeding laws, traffic laws, etc in their efforts to catch us and society is fully cooperative with this. Detectives are also deployed, people who are experts in dectecting. They work 24/7 to catch us and have the full cooperation of basically EVERYONE. They do not stop, the process may spend 100's of thousands of dollars to catch us and the bank/armored car company does not have to bear the cost of this.

Now my other choice is to rob a black market operation, like a drug distributor. If I am a professional, case a potential score, develop a plan that minimizes my risk the choice is hands down to rob the black market operation. Why? Well, so long as I get the drop on them all I have to do is get out of their site and I am HOME FREE! No police force with sirens whipping through the streets after me, no detectives to hunt me for weeks, no fbi to hunt me. Black market operators know this. This is a huge increased risk to running their operation. And not only do they not have that aparatus, they have the cops and detectives and dea and fbi to WORRY ABOUT because all of them want to TAKE THEM DOWN TOO! If they do catch me what do you think they are going to do? Are they going to put me in a prison that they privately operate and privately fund, feeding me, paying people to guard me, etc? Not only would they have to bear 100% of the cost of all of that (while the white market operator doesn't have to bear that cost), they would be opening themselves up to INCREASED THREAT from the detectives and fbi by committing the addional crime of KIDNAPPING. They would have the 24/7 machine that is law enforcement to worry about as I am now a missing person. If found they can't say "well he tried to rob us so we were punnishing him" they are SCREWED. They go down for kidnapping.

So how DO they manage the protection of their operation if they can't use the cops and fbi and courts and jails? (which the white market operators use basically for FREE remember). They must provide their own protection and their own deterrence (in the white market it is punnishment via courts and jails). They MUST use VIOLENCE or not be a black market operator. If they will not use violence they are robbed of all their profits very quickly and are put out of business. So criminalizing the production, distribution, and sales of a product CREATES a MASSIVE ammount of violence. You don't see liquor store distributors or liquor manufacturors shooting it out in the street do you? No. Why? NOW they have the cops and detectives and courts and fbi to protect them. Not only that but remember, they don't have to pay directly themselves, the costs of that protection are externalized onto the public at large, a significant savings to them.

Also, any internal disputes or disputes between supplier and manufacturor, or customer, etc can also readily be brought to the police and courts with the jail as a deterrant. In the black market NONE OF THIS IS AVAILABLE. So, assuming their is demand for a product, SOMEONE will offer that product for sale. But the risks go WAY UP because both the sellor and the buyor are now targets of the police.

This is why there has been a large increase in 'crime' since the 1970's. And yes, I know, that drugs were illegal before the 1970's. BUT....There was no WAR on that market before that time. The resources to ATTACK that market INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY in the 1970's and onward. This increased the risk of operating that business significantly. Their only means of redress? Violence. Either everyone who wants those products says "Well, now there is a war on it. Let's stop buying it and using it" OR it is continued to be offered for sale due to the laws of economics. Demand drives supply. When there is demand, there will ALWAYS be supply.

The sick twist in all of this? Tens of thousands murdered. Sellers, Buyers, innocent bystanders, cops who otherwise WOULD NOT be exposed to this VIOLENCE. Not only that but millions jailed, millions of wives and children having their families ripped apart. Offenders stamped as felons, decreased opportunities to enter the white market for evermore.

Not only that but a TRILLION DOLLARS spent on the drug war and 40 YEARS of WAR and it all still remains READILY AVAILABLE, even in every maximum security jail in the country. LMAO AND the PRICE has REMAINED THE SAME or LESSENED in the past 30 years!!!! Every other product under the sun has quadripped in price. Not that. Sick to your stomach yet?

When is the government going to start a war on beach front property? Or vacations?

Sure, there would still be some violence even if the products are legal. But there is TONS of violence related to alcohol abuse yet cops are not shooting at distributors, distributors are not shooting cops, and no one is shooting customers (except in rare circumstances).

The War On Drugs CREATED all the VIOLENCE. That is why there is increased crime. And guess what? (like you didn't already know) It is a DISMAL FAILURE!

Not convinced? Why not listen to what some ex police chiefs, ex undercover narcotics officers, judges, etc have to say on the matter. Watch the video at LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. The video is free and about 1/2 way down the page:

www.leap.cc

[SVTmuscle]

The reason most people talk I'd imagine is because the cops convince him that "if you tell you us now it'll be easier later" sort of thing

[thegodfather]

The reason 'crime' has increased substantially across the country since the 1970's is directly related to the 'War on Drugs.'

Crime increased substantially when the 'war on alcohol' was instituted via prohibition back early in the last century as well. When the government criminalizes a product what happens is that they turn over the production and sales of that product to mafia or mafia-esque organizations.

When a product is legal the manufactures and salesmen of the product have the protection of the police, courts, and jails to manage problems they encounter. Someone robs them and they call 911 and a convoy of cops are immediately dispatched to the location to catch the burgler. If he gets away dectectives are called in who are experts and have the cooperation of basically everyone in society to assist them in apprehending the violator. The costs for the cops, the detectives, the courts, and jails are all externalized (i.e. the business that was robbed does not have to bear the cost of all of the hunting, capture, trial, punnishment of the violator, it is externalized onto all businesses and all customers, basically everyone pays a little whether they like it or not via taxes).

When a black market operation is robbed they CAN NOT call the cops. They know this. Robbers also know this. If I am a professional armed robber and have an organized and professional crew, one that only takes big jobs, who do you think we are going to rob? On the one hand we can rob an armored car for a big score. If we do that we have dozens of cops who have a central communications network hunting for us within minutes. They can disregard speeding laws, traffic laws, etc in their efforts to catch us and society is fully cooperative with this. Detectives are also deployed, people who are experts in dectecting. They work 24/7 to catch us and have the full cooperation of basically EVERYONE. They do not stop, the process may spend 100's of thousands of dollars to catch us and the bank/armored car company does not have to bear the cost of this.

Now my other choice is to rob a black market operation, like a drug distributor. If I am a professional, case a potential score, develop a plan that minimizes my risk the choice is hands down to rob the black market operation. Why? Well, so long as I get the drop on them all I have to do is get out of their site and I am HOME FREE! No police force with sirens whipping through the streets after me, no detectives to hunt me for weeks, no fbi to hunt me. Black market operators know this. This is a huge increased risk to running their operation. And not only do they not have that aparatus, they have the cops and detectives and dea and fbi to WORRY ABOUT because all of them want to TAKE THEM DOWN TOO! If they do catch me what do you think they are going to do? Are they going to put me in a prison that they privately operate and privately fund, feeding me, paying people to guard me, etc? Not only would they have to bear 100% of the cost of all of that (while the white market operator doesn't have to bear that cost), they would be opening themselves up to INCREASED THREAT from the detectives and fbi by committing the addional crime of KIDNAPPING. They would have the 24/7 machine that is law enforcement to worry about as I am now a missing person. If found they can't say "well he tried to rob us so we were punnishing him" they are SCREWED. They go down for kidnapping.

So how DO they manage the protection of their operation if they can't use the cops and fbi and courts and jails? (which the white market operators use basically for FREE remember). They must provide their own protection and their own deterrence (in the white market it is punnishment via courts and jails). They MUST use VIOLENCE or not be a black market operator. If they will not use violence they are robbed of all their profits very quickly and are put out of business. So criminalizing the production, distribution, and sales of a product CREATES a MASSIVE ammount of violence. You don't see liquor store distributors or liquor manufacturors shooting it out in the street do you? No. Why? NOW they have the cops and detectives and courts and fbi to protect them. Not only that but remember, they don't have to pay directly themselves, the costs of that protection are externalized onto the public at large, a significant savings to them.

Also, any internal disputes or disputes between supplier and manufacturor, or customer, etc can also readily be brought to the police and courts with the jail as a deterrant. In the black market NONE OF THIS IS AVAILABLE. So, assuming their is demand for a product, SOMEONE will offer that product for sale. But the risks go WAY UP because both the sellor and the buyor are now targets of the police.

This is why there has been a large increase in 'crime' since the 1970's. And yes, I know, that drugs were illegal before the 1970's. BUT....There was no WAR on that market before that time. The resources to ATTACK that market INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY in the 1970's and onward. This increased the risk of operating that business significantly. Their only means of redress? Violence. Either everyone who wants those products says "Well, now there is a war on it. Let's stop buying it and using it" OR it is continued to be offered for sale due to the laws of economics. Demand drives supply. When there is demand, there will ALWAYS be supply.

The sick twist in all of this? Tens of thousands murdered. Sellers, Buyers, innocent bystanders, cops who otherwise WOULD NOT be exposed to this VIOLENCE. Not only that but millions jailed, millions of wives and children having their families ripped apart. Offenders stamped as felons, decreased opportunities to enter the white market for evermore.

Not only that but a TRILLION DOLLARS spent on the drug war and 40 YEARS of WAR and it all still remains READILY AVAILABLE, even in every maximum security jail in the country. LMAO AND the PRICE has REMAINED THE SAME or LESSENED in the past 30 years!!!! Every other product under the sun has quadripped in price. Not that. Sick to your stomach yet?

When is the government going to start a war on beach front property? Or vacations?

Sure, there would still be some violence even if the products are legal. But there is TONS of violence related to alcohol abuse yet cops are not shooting at distributors, distributors are not shooting cops, and no one is shooting customers (except in rare circumstances).

The War On Drugs CREATED all the VIOLENCE. That is why there is increased crime. And guess what? (like you didn't already know) It is a DISMAL FAILURE!

Not convinced? Why not listen to what some ex police chiefs, ex undercover narcotics officers, judges, etc have to say on the matter. Watch the video at LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. The video is free and about 1/2 way down the page:

www.leap.cc

Took the words out of my mouth....I like this guy...

[mex83]

i THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT ALREADY.... IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU SAY THEY WILL GET ALL PISSED OFF AND START GIVING YOU DRAMA... ITS LIKE COPS ARE ALWAYS IN THERE RAGS..... INSTEAD OF GUNS AND CLUBS THEY NEED TOCARRY TAMPAX, MODILS, AND BARS OF SNICKERS ALONG WITH SOME HOT PADS.... MAYBE THEY WILL BE IN A BETTER MOOD THEN.

[bd50]

The reason 'crime' has increased substantially across the country since the 1970's is directly related to the 'War on Drugs.'

Crime increased substantially when the 'war on alcohol' was instituted via prohibition back early in the last century as well. When the government criminalizes a product what happens is that they turn over the production and sales of that product to mafia or mafia-esque organizations.

When a product is legal the manufactures and salesmen of the product have the protection of the police, courts, and jails to manage problems they encounter. Someone robs them and they call 911 and a convoy of cops are immediately dispatched to the location to catch the burgler. If he gets away dectectives are called in who are experts and have the cooperation of basically everyone in society to assist them in apprehending the violator. The costs for the cops, the detectives, the courts, and jails are all externalized (i.e. the business that was robbed does not have to bear the cost of all of the hunting, capture, trial, punnishment of the violator, it is externalized onto all businesses and all customers, basically everyone pays a little whether they like it or not via taxes).

When a black market operation is robbed they CAN NOT call the cops. They know this. Robbers also know this. If I am a professional armed robber and have an organized and professional crew, one that only takes big jobs, who do you think we are going to rob? On the one hand we can rob an armored car for a big score. If we do that we have dozens of cops who have a central communications network hunting for us within minutes. They can disregard speeding laws, traffic laws, etc in their efforts to catch us and society is fully cooperative with this. Detectives are also deployed, people who are experts in dectecting. They work 24/7 to catch us and have the full cooperation of basically EVERYONE. They do not stop, the process may spend 100's of thousands of dollars to catch us and the bank/armored car company does not have to bear the cost of this.

Now my other choice is to rob a black market operation, like a drug distributor. If I am a professional, case a potential score, develop a plan that minimizes my risk the choice is hands down to rob the black market operation. Why? Well, so long as I get the drop on them all I have to do is get out of their site and I am HOME FREE! No police force with sirens whipping through the streets after me, no detectives to hunt me for weeks, no fbi to hunt me. Black market operators know this. This is a huge increased risk to running their operation. And not only do they not have that aparatus, they have the cops and detectives and dea and fbi to WORRY ABOUT because all of them want to TAKE THEM DOWN TOO! If they do catch me what do you think they are going to do? Are they going to put me in a prison that they privately operate and privately fund, feeding me, paying people to guard me, etc? Not only would they have to bear 100% of the cost of all of that (while the white market operator doesn't have to bear that cost), they would be opening themselves up to INCREASED THREAT from the detectives and fbi by committing the addional crime of KIDNAPPING. They would have the 24/7 machine that is law enforcement to worry about as I am now a missing person. If found they can't say "well he tried to rob us so we were punnishing him" they are SCREWED. They go down for kidnapping.

So how DO they manage the protection of their operation if they can't use the cops and fbi and courts and jails? (which the white market operators use basically for FREE remember). They must provide their own protection and their own deterrence (in the white market it is punnishment via courts and jails). They MUST use VIOLENCE or not be a black market operator. If they will not use violence they are robbed of all their profits very quickly and are put out of business. So criminalizing the production, distribution, and sales of a product CREATES a MASSIVE ammount of violence. You don't see liquor store distributors or liquor manufacturors shooting it out in the street do you? No. Why? NOW they have the cops and detectives and courts and fbi to protect them. Not only that but remember, they don't have to pay directly themselves, the costs of that protection are externalized onto the public at large, a significant savings to them.

Also, any internal disputes or disputes between supplier and manufacturor, or customer, etc can also readily be brought to the police and courts with the jail as a deterrant. In the black market NONE OF THIS IS AVAILABLE. So, assuming their is demand for a product, SOMEONE will offer that product for sale. But the risks go WAY UP because both the sellor and the buyor are now targets of the police.

This is why there has been a large increase in 'crime' since the 1970's. And yes, I know, that drugs were illegal before the 1970's. BUT....There was no WAR on that market before that time. The resources to ATTACK that market INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY in the 1970's and onward. This increased the risk of operating that business significantly. Their only means of redress? Violence. Either everyone who wants those products says "Well, now there is a war on it. Let's stop buying it and using it" OR it is continued to be offered for sale due to the laws of economics. Demand drives supply. When there is demand, there will ALWAYS be supply.

The sick twist in all of this? Tens of thousands murdered. Sellers, Buyers, innocent bystanders, cops who otherwise WOULD NOT be exposed to this VIOLENCE. Not only that but millions jailed, millions of wives and children having their families ripped apart. Offenders stamped as felons, decreased opportunities to enter the white market for evermore.

Not only that but a TRILLION DOLLARS spent on the drug war and 40 YEARS of WAR and it all still remains READILY AVAILABLE, even in every maximum security jail in the country. LMAO AND the PRICE has REMAINED THE SAME or LESSENED in the past 30 years!!!! Every other product under the sun has quadripped in price. Not that. Sick to your stomach yet?

When is the government going to start a war on beach front property? Or vacations?

Sure, there would still be some violence even if the products are legal. But there is TONS of violence related to alcohol abuse yet cops are not shooting at distributors, distributors are not shooting cops, and no one is shooting customers (except in rare circumstances).

The War On Drugs CREATED all the VIOLENCE. That is why there is increased crime. And guess what? (like you didn't already know) It is a DISMAL FAILURE!

Not convinced? Why not listen to what some ex police chiefs, ex undercover narcotics officers, judges, etc have to say on the matter. Watch the video at LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. The video is free and about 1/2 way down the page:

www.leap.cc

great post

[KZRSOIZE]

Horatio from CSI miami has a way to make people talk without an attorney dam hes good....NEVER TALK TO THE COPS WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY THAT IS YOUR RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN...and this doesnt make it seem like your more guilty of what you are being questioned about, it just makes the cops think you know what your doing and arent a push over.....

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

So, are we suppose to be quite when we get pulled over for speeding?
When we are asked, "Do you know how fast your going?" Simply say, "I don't know."?????


Also, under what circumstances can they search your car?


In any case, plead the 5th and ask for an attorney?????

I've been pulled over a few times, and honestly I don't know much when it comes to the law and "rights" and such...

From Texas, if that means much.

[40plusnewbie]

So, are we suppose to be quite when we get pulled over for speeding?
When we are asked, "Do you know how fast your going?" Simply say, "I don't know."?????


Also, under what circumstances can they search your car?


In any case, plead the 5th and ask for an attorney?????

I've been pulled over a few times, and honestly I don't know much when it comes to the law and "rights" and such...

From Texas, if that means much.

Laws and practices vary state by state. I'm not a lawyer but this is what I do if pulled over:

1. Signal before pulling over
2. Put the car in park
3. Turn off the engine.
4. Put the keys on the dash in front of me so they are in plain view of the officer.
5. If at night turn on the interior light
6. Put my hands on the wheel at 10 and 2.
7. Wait for the cop to approach the car.

These steps put you in the 'good doobie' catagory. This is good for you.

If the cop asks me how fast I was going I say "I'm not sure exactly how fast I was going officer" (after all my spedomoter could be off by .00000001 lol) That is about all he is getting out of me regarding what the speed limit is there, how fast I was going, bla bla

If he asks me if I know the speed limit I am not answering that question directly. I am responding with a question of my own, something like "I'd like to be as helpful as I can officer, what would you like me to do?" If he asks me the speed limit again I am giving him an innocent look and an expression on my face like I'm a good doobie but one that also convey to him in a non sarcastic way that I'm pretty much done talking.

But by following the steps above he is pretty much just want to get your license and registration or whatever, process that in his car, and give you a ticket or warning. Of course if you look like cheech and chong things will go down much differently.

If for some reason a cop asks me to get out of my car (unlikely since I play good doobie up front) I take the keys and lock the car behind me as I get out of the car.

He is not getting in my car unless he has a warrant or orders me to give him the keys (you have to follow cops orders, your redress is a lawyer and court later if he's breaking the law) or kicks in the window.

Always state loudly and clearly if he makes any mention of weapons or substances (assuming you have no gun in your pocket) "I have no weapons at all and nothing illegal whatsoever" Be clear. If you have a gun permit it's good to tell the cop that up front if you have a gun in the car.

If he frisks you cooperate, don't resist. If he asks you what is in your pocket what I would say is "officer I have told you already that I have NO weapons and nothing illegal, have you completed your terry search?" If he asks me to take x out of my pocket (like a lump he feels) I ask him "Is that an order or is that a request?" If he says something other than "it's an order" or words to that effect I'm not taking it out.

If he asks why I locked my car I do not respond but give him that good doobie grin that also lets him know that I'm not talking, kind of like shrugging my shoulders but using a facial expression. I want to communicate to him nonverbally that I know his game and know I don't have to answer questions, but in a way that is not disrespectful to him. I'm just doing my job (as a good doobie citizen who like to exercise his rights).

If he asks to search the car I say "Officer, I don't consent to searches." To anything else he says after this (likely to try to intimidate me into letting him) I give him the polite good doobie but not talking look. He can call a squad car with a dog if he likes, I'm not consenting and not communicating with him at all at this point, other than to state something like "Officer, I'm in a hurry, am I free to leave?" "What is my legal status at the moment officer?" "Officer, I'd like to leave as soon as I am legally allowed to do so."

Sometimes what cops do is write you the ticket, have you sign it and give you your copy AND THEN bring up the notion of searching your car. At this point you are free to drive off. Your not being detained, if you were he would not have given you the ticket he would have had you out of the car already. Don't just drive off but state "Officer, I am in quite a hurry, am I free to leave?" He will probably take a 2nd run at you with some bs, repeat "Officer, am I free to leave?" Then "Thank you officer, have a nice day."

Anything incriminating should stay in your trunk well hidden or inside a bag or briefcase in your trunk. Keep the passenger area of your car free from clutter. Keep it clean. Cops need reasonable suspicion to search your car, don't give it to him. That's why on all of those cops shows you always see them ASKING people if they can search, or saying something like "you dont have anything illegal..you don't mind if I search" as they move to your car. If you say No, well what were you saying no to? That you don't have anything illegal or that you don't mind if he searches? That's why you state clearly you have no weapons and nothing illegal and to any mention of a search "I don't consent to searches officer" He will take a 2nd and 3rd and maybe 4th run at you. What do you say "Officer, I don't consent to searches." or nothing or "What is my legal status at the moment?" or "officer, i'm in a hurry, am I free to leave?"

And by locking your car when you exit you cut off his slimy game of leaning in your car while asking you the double question intentionally which you say no to so he can interpret it to mean no you don't mind if he searches.

But if your not drunk, don't look like cheech and chong, are not profiled doing something suspicious like being seen driving out from behind some abandoned building, and follow the 1-7 and have a clean interior and act like a good doobie then that's what you are. Don't give him a reason to be even a little suspicious. Let him bully someone who is driving a car with expired plates and looks like cheech. He will be more than happy to. Once he senses that you know your rights and are intent on exersizing them he won't mess with you so long as you covey that politely and respectfully. You could be the son of a supreme court judge for all he knows.

[thegodfather]

So, are we suppose to be quite when we get pulled over for speeding?
When we are asked, "Do you know how fast your going?" Simply say, "I don't know."?????


Also, under what circumstances can they search your car?


In any case, plead the 5th and ask for an attorney?????

I've been pulled over a few times, and honestly I don't know much when it comes to the law and "rights" and such...

From Texas, if that means much.

Responding to the question "how fast are you going," is an admission of guilt. It's tape recorded on audio/video, so thats now evidence against you in court. If your car is completely clean and you feel like exercising your rights, you can hand him you information and not say another word to him what so ever. The 5th amendment precludes you from incriminating yourself or aiding him in prosecuting you. The burden of proof rests on the state to prove guilt, and not vice versa. This means you are within your rights to not engage in any conversation what so ever with the officer.