Opinions on this

[MrDezel]

Hey bro's I have done a good deal of research and I think this is going to be a good, lean cycle to put on some lean muscle without putting on too much fat.

Test E 500mg: weeks 1-10 (shot 250mg mon/thurs)
EQ 400mg: weeks 1-10 (shot 200mg mon/thurs)
dbol 50mg/ed: weeks 1-4
winny 100mg/ed (IP tabs): weeks 6-12
A-dex .25mg/ed: weeks 1-12

PCT:
Clomid: 300mg, 100mg, 100mg, 50mg-->
Nolva: 40mg-->

I may not run the dbol but I really want to jump start the test but I am worried about the water weight from it.

[Lozgod]

Great minds think alike. I asked everyone about that same cycle and they all said the same thing. EQ gotta run for 12 weeks.

[MrDezel]

haha.... so the length I run test is good then?

[MBaraso]

Forget about the dbol .
Run the test to week 13 and the eq till week 12 if possible.
Winny to week 15. clomid 1 day out.
If you can't extend the cycle then atleast run the test till week 11, eq till week 10 and the winny to week 13.
And make sure your taking some kind of joint fuel...

[MrDezel]

So MBaraso you are saying to dump the dbol completely and just the test/eq/winny?

I also have a question about clen . Should I run it before PCT or during PCT? Thanks in advance bro.

[ImmmtheIceman]

Im running clen during PCT but you can do it whenever.

[MBaraso]

So MBaraso you are saying to dump the dbol completely and just the test/eq/winny?

I also have a question about clen. Should I run it before PCT or during PCT? Thanks in advance bro.

Yeah bro dump the dbol. That's gonna cause u nothing but problems with water retention even with ldex. It's summer time so i'm assuming you wanna look as lean as possible.
You can run the clen 2 weeks on 2 off during the whole cycle. Thats what I would do...

[MrDezel]

Awesome help bro's! So once I make the changes and dump the dbol I'm looking at good lean cycle is what your saying?

**UPDATED:
Test E 500mg: weeks 1-12 (shot 250mg mon/thurs)
EQ 400mg: weeks 1-11 (shot 200mg mon/thurs)
dbol 50mg/ed: GONE
winny 100mg/ed (IP tabs): weeks 6-12
A-dex .25mg/ed: weeks 1-12
Clen : 2 on 2 off throughout

PCT:
Clomid: 300mg, 100mg, 100mg, 50mg-->
Nolva: 40mg-->

[MBaraso]

Awesome help bro's! So once I make the changes and dump the dbol I'm looking at good lean cycle is what your saying?

**UPDATED:
Test E 500mg: weeks 1-12 (shot 250mg mon/thurs)
EQ 400mg: weeks 1-11 (shot 200mg mon/thurs)
dbol 50mg/ed: GONE
winny 100mg/ed (IP tabs): weeks 6-12
A-dex .25mg/ed: weeks 1-12
Clen : 2 on 2 off throughout

PCT:
Clomid: 300mg, 100mg, 100mg, 50mg-->
Nolva: 40mg-->

Looks good. Alot of people will tell you to run the winny 2 weeks past the last shot of test so you'd be able to go into PCT 1 day out instead of 2 weeks out. But I don't see a problem with waiting 2 weeks. I've done it and IMO it doesn't make a difference...Some will disagree though.

[MyBodyIsMyTemple]

about the dbol , i had the same exact worries and concerns as you, but i realllly wanted a jumpstart while i wait for my test to kick in-

so i have been doing 45mg day for 2 full weeks now with 10mg nolva and .25mg ldex daily and have not added any water to my look (ancillaries are a beautiful thing), and i have made decent gains in sterngth and mass. Im even still pretty vascular to be honest, more than i thought possible on dbol- MAYBE a slight coating of smoothness over my abs but nothing too noticable i can still see them easily - i was fairly cut up and hard and vascular to begin with and so far didnt lose those attribute

so my advice is if you can keep a very clean and ultra low sodium diet and eating schedule, eat every few hours clean meals and drink tons of water all day every day like i can (thanks to my job) i say go for it, if anything start with a lower dose like 30mg and see how you react, or go with a higher dose of nolva/ldex...

if you feel you cant be this disciplined with the clean diet and water intake then maybe yes skip the dbol