Deca gyno

**Pork Chop** · 05-31-2004, 10:00 AM

I'm just recently reading about it. Sounds like gyno comes with the territory.
Does the B6 (or B12?) control it?

**DCL** · 05-31-2004, 10:03 AM

Yes, B6 controls progestrogen levels in your body..take 200mg ed throughout your cycle if you are running deca or tren ....pppp

**kronik** · 05-31-2004, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by DCL

Yes, B6 controls progestrogen levels in your body..take 200mg ed throughout your cycle if you are running deca or tren....pppp

also if symptoms appear increase B-6 to 600mg..

**kubano28** · 05-31-2004, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by kronik

also if symptoms appear increase B-6 to 600mg..

hey kronik did u get u gear yet ,let me know bro,ill be posting the deca thread soon,make sure u read it

**N4cer** · 05-31-2004, 10:36 AM

I've noticed that if I run arimidex with my test/deca stack, the deca gyno doesn't start. If I don't run aromatase inhibitors, I get gyno as low as 200mg deca per week.

This is because typically progesterone needs estrogen to mediate its effects on gyno.
No extrogen = no problem.
At least for me and most people I chat with.

As for the comment on B6 controlling deca or tren progesterone, um, tren isn't progesterone. It's prolactin. But nice job.

**Pork Chop** · 05-31-2004, 11:31 AM

Are progesterone gynp symptoms like typical estrogen gyno?
(Sore nips etc..)

**N4cer** · 05-31-2004, 11:33 AM

They were for me, only didn't stop with administration of Nolvadex .

**KINGKONG** · 05-31-2004, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Try Me

Are progesterone gynp symptoms like typical estrogen gyno?
(Sore nips etc..)

yes exactly,maybe do a search on the board on bromo you should
always have some on hand when running deca ,fina,IMO

**Crankin'steiN** · 05-31-2004, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Try Me

Are progesterone gynp symptoms like typical estrogen gyno?
(Sore nips etc..)

Yes for the most part they are..... Except for lactating.... That is a progesterone only thing.... Yes I mean fluid will come out your nipples.... Not cool at all... LOL

**N4cer** · 05-31-2004, 11:37 AM

Bromo works for progesterone as well as prolactin? I thought it was only for prolactin.

Hrmm... learn something new every day.

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 05-31-2004, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by N4cer

Bromo works for progesterone as well as prolactin? I thought it was only for prolactin.

Hrmm... learn something new every day.

It's good for both, however B-6 works Just as Well without the Cost or the Sides.
TSW

**DCL** · 05-31-2004, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by N4cer

Bromo works for progesterone as well as prolactin? I thought it was only for prolactin.

Hrmm... learn something new every day.

But nice job.

**einstein1905** · 05-31-2004, 02:35 PM

Just to clarify, deca and tren are both progestins. However, B6, bromo, cabergoline, etc all treat elevated prolactin levels, which result from progestins.

**N4cer** · 05-31-2004, 10:01 PM

So progesterone raises prolactin levels?
Aren't progesterone and prolactin two different progestins?
So they progesterone raises prolactin?

Just making sure I understand. I'm getting some great info here. I need to stop in more often.

**einstein1905** · 05-31-2004, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by N4cer

So progesterone raises prolactin levels?
Aren't progesterone and prolactin two different progestins?
So they progesterone raises prolactin?

Just making sure I understand. I'm getting some great info here. I need to stop in more often.

first off, to no fault of your own, the article you have linked in your sig is the most misleading, incorrect string of words ever put together. You should spend some time in the pct forum reading the studies and explanations that Pheedno has laid out.

No one has a very good understanding of exactly how progestins increase prolactin levels, because progesterone actually decreases prolactin levels. However, progesterone (and therefore progestins) have the ability to be prolactin receptor agonists. Well then, you'd say, it makes sense that drugs to treat elevated prolactin would work for elevated progesterone, they must work at the prolactin receptor to block prolactin receptor agonism......No, they don't. Most of these drugs to treat elevated prolactin inhibit the release of prolactin and don't work at the level of the receptor.
Increased estrogen can increase prolactin levels too, hence nolva and an AI helping the cause in preventing gyno effects of either origin.

I'd love to hear anyone's ideas on this BTW.

**N4cer** · 05-31-2004, 10:35 PM

The article gets lots of responses. Some good, some bad.
I know some "experts" disagree. I'm okay with that.
I get better results from Nolva than Clomid every time.
But that could be because I actually get gyno from Clomid, unlike every other man on Earth.

Thanks for the info. I'll definitely use it.