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    Test. 400, sustanon 250 or omnadren250? need experienced help?

    which would u get the best gains from???

    I wanna do a cycle with deca 300, winni, and one of those which would u preffer?

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    I also have the clomid and Nolvadex in there as well

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    Test 400 IMO

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    This isn't an answer to your question...but I would go with a single ester test. It will keep your blood more stable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Money Boss Hustla
    This isn't an answer to your question...but I would go with a single ester test. It will keep your blood more stable.

    which single ester would u reccommend? im pretty new and learning alot still.

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    Test Enanthate

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    what do u mean blood stable, what happens????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk_Diggler
    which single ester would u reccommend? im pretty new and learning alot still.
    I personally love test propionate . Fast acting, low water retention, and I always found that it leaned me out. The downside is...you have to inject it every day...which could be hard for a beginner to do.

    Test cypionate or enanthate would only require 2 injections per week. ie) 250mgx2 injections. I would recommend this to a beginner solely based on the infrequent injections.

    Now...getting to your cycle. IMHO there is no need to stack everything on your first cycle. There's no rush. What you should do is establish a baseline for next cycle. Do a test only cycle and see how you react to test alone. Then on your next cycle do a test and deca combo. You should be able to differetiate which compound was doing what. The reason why people do this is...say if you are using 3 new AS and you start getting gyno...what treatment are you going to use!? Is it estrogen or prolactin induced? See my point?

    Do a 10-12 week cycle of test enanthate @ 500mg per week. Don't forget about your Nolvadex (and other anti-e's) as well as the gear for your PCT.


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    u can use t400 and still have stable blood levels by injecting tiwce a week....thats my current stack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk_Diggler
    what do u mean blood stable, what happens????
    With Sust you see your testosterone levels do peaks and valleys b/c of the different esters. With a single ester the levels are more stable...slowly increasing and keeping consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdawg
    u can use t400 and still have stable blood levels by injecting tiwce a week....thats my current stack
    I'm going to challenge you on this bro. Why do you think that 4 esters are more stable than one? A single ester ie) enanthate that is injected twice a week will produce a more stable blood level than a 4 estered test. There is no peaks and valleys unlike the faster acting esters in sust.

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    T400 is ussually cypoinate and decanoate and something in between. You can maintain cosistant blood levels with Bi-weekly T400 shots. I dont think he was saying more consistant.

    I myself would also suggest taking a single ester like enanthate or cypoinate.

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    can you take both enanthate and cypionate ???

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    you could but it is pointless just take enanthate 250 at 500mg per week monday and thursday injections

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    what about enanthate and propionate or is that pointless too.

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    single easter is the way to go!!!! Enth, is my weapon of choice

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    I love t400.Its a little more on the painfull side.But I have done sus250, omnas and t400 so i know which one worked better for me.I was taking 800mg per week on t400 and loved.I would take 600mg on t400 if you are a beginner.3/4 cc on mondays and thursday.I would buy some sterile oil and mix 1/2cc of it to the 3/4cc of t400 to cut down the pain from the ba in the t4.i think theres ups and downs for single esters and multi ester compounds.I do agree you can stable a multi ester compound if taken right.IMO

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    i agree with the others, sust must be shot eod to take advantage of its compounds, you'd better shot 2 times a week a single ester test for your first cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk_Diggler
    what about enanthate and propionate or is that pointless too.
    You could jump start your cycle by using test prop for the first 4 weeks. Test prop is fast acting so it will give gains while waiting for the test enanthate to kick in. Enanthate can take weeks to get going.

    1-4 test prop 75mg ED
    1-12 test enanthate 500mg EW

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    Right now Test Enanthate and Test Prop is what im taking. The only reason im doing this is for cost. Im taking 400mgs of Testosterone Enanthate E/W and 100mgs of Testosterone Prop every day. The single prop ampules are expensive.

    Test Prop is my favorite with everyday injections

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    i didnt say that t400 would be as stable as a single ester...i said u can keep the levels stable with 2 injections per week and get good results

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