Is 500mg Test pe week ENOUGH or go with 750?

**Pork Chop** · 10-06-2004, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Porkchop you have no idea what your talking about. Someone on here turned me on to one of your threads http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=120334

You obviously have no idea what your talking about so take the advice of the guy earlier on this thread and stop giving bad advice.

I tore your argument into a million pieces using logic and common sense and all you can come up with is a post i made asking experiences from a dbol -cyp stack?

You lost all credibility at "excess test turns into estrogen".

**toolman** · 10-06-2004, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

I tore your argument into a million pieces using logic and common sense and all you can come up with is a post i made asking experiences from a dbol -cyp stack?

You lost all credibility at "excess test turns into estrogen".

You further show your ignorance....test does convert to estrogen you moran. Anyone who reads your posts see that you are clueless. Like I said, listen to the others on this thread and stop posting bad advice. Leave the advice to those more experienced newbie.

**toolman** · 10-06-2004, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

Start at 600mg MINIMUM.. 2 or 3 weeks later go to 750.. then 900.. if all is well step to 1250 for the final weeks of your cycle. I'd suggest 16-18 week'er.

Wow, great advice....stick to Nintendo and leave the gear advice to those who know what they are talking about.

**Pork Chop** · 10-06-2004, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

You further show your ignorance....test does convert to estrogen you moran. Anyone who reads your posts see that you are clueless. Like I said, listen to the others on this thread and stop posting bad advice. Leave the advice to those more experienced newbie.

Still no reasoning to support your argument.
If you can't offer anything constructive don't say anything at all.

**toolman** · 10-06-2004, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

Still no reasoning to support your argument.
If you can't offer anything constructive don't say anything at all.

No reasoning is required. It is a statement of fact. Im done with idiots like you. Most of the bros on here see you for the wannabe that you are. Ill only reply when I see you giving idiotic advice again.

**Cuttup** · 10-06-2004, 03:08 PM

you guys are wild,..however, thanks for your advice

**Pork Chop** · 10-06-2004, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

No reasoning is required. It is a statement of fact. Im done with idiots like you. Most of the bros on here see you for the wannabe that you are. Ill only reply when I see you giving idiotic advice again.

All i'm asking is for is reasons why you dissmiss my advice as ignorant and stupid.. something to back that up other than more insults.

**kubano28** · 10-08-2004, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Cuttup

WOW,..everyone, I sincerely appreciate your opnions and advice,..the majority is suggesting 500 per week just to see how I respond,..and yes,..gyno would be a bi$ch if I dont know how i respond to it,..which brings me to my next question,....at 00 mg's per week,..is 10 mg of Nolva enough?

I WAS DOING 20 MG of nolvadex eod,i never had any sides of gyno ,but to be on the safe side i took it and also to help with the water retention from test,just make sure to have plenty for ed use just in case ur nipples start itching then u can up ur dosage to ed of 20 mg,

**Cuttup** · 10-08-2004, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by kubano28

I WAS DOING 20 MG of nolvadex eod,i never had any sides of gyno ,but to be on the safe side i took it and also to help with the water retention from test,just make sure to have plenty for ed use just in case ur nipples start itching then u can up ur dosage to ed of 20 mg,

10 ed sounds cool

**dogsofwar** · 10-08-2004, 01:41 PM

Test does convert into estrogen. Scientific fact. It's called "aromatase". Look it up.

**Cuttup** · 10-08-2004, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by dogsofwar

Test does convert into estrogen. Scientific fact. It's called "aromatase". Look it up.

whats your point

**dogsofwar** · 10-08-2004, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Cuttup

whats your point

Should have quoted ... it was response to pork chop's statement indicating: "You lost all credibility at "excess test turns into estrogen". Doesn't really matter at this point. The thread is all convoluted by others changing the subject.

**DARKSEID** · 10-08-2004, 02:26 PM

obviously, everybody's just gonna go back on forth on the doses, so I'm sure this guy can make his own decision on everyones input. I'm just wondering to the guy who said that 500mg of test is a drop more than we make naturally. Since when?

**Cuttup** · 10-08-2004, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by dogsofwar

Should have quoted ... it was response to pork chop's statement indicating: "You lost all credibility at "excess test turns into estrogen". Doesn't really matter at this point. The thread is all convoluted by others changing the subject.

TOTALLY AGREE

**bigrthanu** · 10-08-2004, 02:59 PM

I know a few semi pro BB who are huge, like 5' 8" 250 shredded and even they say lower doses and hard work plus good diet will work alot better than high doses. Diet and intense training are way more important than taking ridiculous amounts of test. Your 6'2" and 240 roughly and have probably been training for a long time i assume so i would take the 500 mg's a week with 10mgs a day of tamoxifen and you will grow like a weed bro, plus if you take more test you may have some ****ty sides, then your training will suffer cause youll be feeling like **** during your cycle instead of being able to destroy the weights and eat like it was your last meal, good luck bro best of luck!

**Zues** · 10-08-2004, 03:03 PM

My first cycle I ran only 200mg a week of Cyp and put on almost 30 lbs. Granted at least 10 of it was water weight but it did a whole lot.

**Cuttup** · 10-08-2004, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Zues

My first cycle I ran only 200mg a week of Cyp and put on almost 30 lbs. Granted at least 10 of it was water weight but it did a whole lot.

How long was your cycle and was iy Cyp by itself or did you through in dbol /orals?

**weightshead** · 10-08-2004, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Cuttup

Im not sure about the 5 -7 mg per day as for the average male. You also have to consider some of us arebt average and have been in the sprot for years

thats a moot point.

its going to be at LEAST 5x more than YOU produce naturally.

read my post again...

**toolman** · 10-08-2004, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Cuttup

TOTALLY AGREE

Cuttup, they are right, this thread became polluted with alot of bad advice. However, now you have heard from enough of the more knowledgable bros on here to know that more is not better. The key to safe, long term use of gear is using just enough to grow faster than naturally. My very first cycle was only 250 sust, 200 deca and I gained 24 lbs. 6 cycles later, I have never run my test over 500 and still make great gains.

If you are eating, lifting and resting right, 500 mgs is more than enough. Then run that in subsequent cycles until it doesn't work for you any more. And as soon as you hear from anyone telling you to run more than 500mgs for a first cycle, seek advice elsewhere.

Good luck!

**weightshead** · 10-09-2004, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by toolman

Cuttup, they are right, this thread became polluted with alot of bad advice. However, now you have heard from enough of the more knowledgable bros on here to know that more is not better. The key to safe, long term use of gear is using just enough to grow faster than naturally.

If you are eating, lifting and resting right, 500 mgs is more than enough. Then run that in subsequent cycles until it doesn't work for you any more. And as soon as you hear from anyone telling you to run more than 500mgs for a first cycle, seek advice elsewhere.

Good luck!

i think this post sums it up.

**fabry** · 10-09-2004, 07:25 AM

500 is plenty, but id kickstart with something... dbols or prop for the first 4-5 wks
1-4/5 dbols (or prop)
1-10 test enant or cyp
1-12 nolva 10mg (and u can add proviron or ldex)
13-15/16 pct (i put 15 or 16 coz it will depend on what kind of pct u will follow)

**Cuttup** · 10-10-2004, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by bigrthanu

I know a few semi pro BB who are huge, like 5' 8" 250 shredded and even they say lower doses and hard work plus good diet will work alot better than high doses. Diet and intense training are way more important than taking ridiculous amounts of test. Your 6'2" and 240 roughly and have probably been training for a long time i assume so i would take the 500 mg's a week with 10mgs a day of tamoxifen and you will grow like a weed bro, plus if you take more test you may have some ****ty sides, then your training will suffer cause youll be feeling like **** during your cycle instead of being able to destroy the weights and eat like it was your last meal, good luck bro best of luck!

Makes sense, Thanks guy

**Cuttup** · 10-10-2004, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Cuttup, they are right, this thread became polluted with alot of bad advice. However, now you have heard from enough of the more knowledgable bros on here to know that more is not better. The key to safe, long term use of gear is using just enough to grow faster than naturally. My very first cycle was only 250 sust, 200 deca and I gained 24 lbs. 6 cycles later, I have never run my test over 500 and still make great gains.

If you are eating, lifting and resting right, 500 mgs is more than enough. Then run that in subsequent cycles until it doesn't work for you any more. And as soon as you hear from anyone telling you to run more than 500mgs for a first cycle, seek advice elsewhere.

Good luck!

yeah,..im without a doubt stick with the 500,...thanks for you tips

**Cuttup** · 10-10-2004, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by fabry

500 is plenty, but id kickstart with something... dbols or prop for the first 4-5 wks
1-4/5 dbols (or prop)
1-10 test enant or cyp
1-12 nolva 10mg (and u can add proviron or ldex)
13-15/16 pct (i put 15 or 16 coz it will depend on what kind of pct u will follow)

sounds perfect

**AandF6969** · 10-10-2004, 12:42 PM

You can start with 500, make sure your diet is in check with enough calories and the right ones, and if you dont see results you like halfway through theres always the option of bumping it to 750 for the rest.

**bornbad71** · 10-10-2004, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Cuttup

WOW,..everyone, I sincerely appreciate your opnions and advice,..the majority is suggesting 500 per week just to see how I respond,..and yes,..gyno would be a bi$ch if I dont know how i respond to it,..which brings me to my next question,....at 00 mg's per week,..is 10 mg of Nolva enough?

Yes 10mg nolva ed from day one is enough.....I like that your going with 500mg test ew, good choice. Make sure you run proper pct at the end. Good luck bro.

**Cuttup** · 10-10-2004, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by bornbad71

Yes 10mg nolva ed from day one is enough(actually I start my nolva/l-dex one week before my cycle starts).....I like that your going with 500mg test ew, good choice. Make sure you run proper pct at the end. Good luck bro.

i PLAN ON continueing the Nolv at 10mg along with clomid,....what brands make ldex?,.ive heard of this a million times

**Cuttup** · 10-10-2004, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by AandF6969

You can start with 500, make sure your diet is in check with enough calories and the right ones, and if you dont see results you like halfway through theres always the option of bumping it to 750 for the rest.

well they say you wont notice anything until about half way,...not really kicking in untill 3-4 weeks