2nd cycle critique please

**jaffry20** · 10-19-2004, 10:49 PM

Hey bro's need some serious input here this is the cycle I was curently gonna run for my 2nd cycle, I did a previous 10 week Deca & Primo. Didn't have much knowledge then, know more now, so this is the Cycle I had planned to do but might change it.

Week
1-4 Test. Prop. 50mg/day

1-12 Deca 300mg/week

1-13 Test E. 600mg/week

10-15 Winstrol 50mg/day
1-18 Nolvadex 10mg/day
15-18 PCT

1-4
Since I haven't done Test before I was thinking of getting rid of the Deca and extending my test. Here's what I have come up with, what do u think, stick with the Old One or New One???????

Week
1-6 Test. Prop. 50mg/day
1-16 Test E. 600mg/week
13-18 Winstrol 50mg/day
18-21 PCT
**will have Nolvadex on hand unless otherwise told**

what do you think? Thanks bro's.

**LAWNSAVER** · 10-19-2004, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by jaffry20

Hey bro's need some serious input here this is the cycle I was curently gonna run for my 2nd cycle, I did a previous 10 week Deca & Primo. Didn't have much knowledge then, know more now, so this is the Cycle I had planned to do but might change it.

Week
1-4 Test. Prop. 50mg/day

1-12 Deca 300mg/week

1-13 Test E. 600mg/week

10-15 Winstrol 50mg/day
1-18 Nolvadex 10mg/day
15-18 PCT

1-4
Since I haven't done Test before I was thinking of getting rid of the Deca and extending my test. Here's what I have come up with, what do u think, stick with the Old One or New One???????

Week
1-6 Test. Prop. 50mg/day
1-16 Test E. 600mg/week
11-16 Winstrol 50mg/day
16-19 PCT
**will have Nolvadex on hand unless otherwise told**

what do you think? Thanks bro's.

I would run the winny past the enanthate 2 weeks. I think you will be happy at 600mg a week for 14-16 weeks.

I would add some HCG in there to prevent testicular atrophy

**AustrianOAK14** · 10-19-2004, 11:18 PM

how much is hcg ?

**justin2305** · 10-19-2004, 11:20 PM

i would go with the first and run the winny 2weeks past the test...

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 12:10 AM

Sorry I ****ed up I ment for the Winny weeks 13-18 Winstrol 50mg/day not 11-16, so ill be off the test for 2 weeks and start PCT 48hrs after my last Winny shot.

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by LAWNSAVER

I would run the winny past the enanthate 2 weeks. I think you will be happy at 600mg a week for 14-16 weeks.

I would add some HCG in there to prevent testicular atrophy

Can I get HCG from ARR??? and is it a must or a just in incase thing? also no nolvadex ?

**RoNNy THe BuLL** · 10-20-2004, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by AustrianOAK14

how much is hcg?

If you get any PM's offering you HCG , delete them. 99% chance you're gonna get suckered.

Your cycle looks good, but it all depends on your goals.

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 12:14 AM

Im Leaning more towards the the 2nd one, the Test Prop, Test E, and Winny just cause with the deca ill be throwing over 1000mg a week for the 1st 4 weeks and this being my 2nd cycle, 1st with Test wouldn't it be better for me and my body to only run the Test a little bit longer and drop the deca, anyone else have oppionions??

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 12:18 AM

My goals , Fuuuk I want huge gains and Everything HUGE but i gotta be realistic, im gonna eat crazy and rite and im gonna do a good propar cycle and im gonna see what i get out of it, hopefully 20+ pounds being it's my first test cycle and my longest one im gonna run, plus with some crazy ass workouts looks like it can happen too, just gotta make sure im putting the rite stuff and amount in me, I don't wanna put in an extra 300mg of deca if there is no need, but I geuss only experiance will tell. I will do a deca test cycle sometime, but is it rite for my 2nd cycle, first test cycle?

**AandF6969** · 10-20-2004, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by jaffry20

My goals , Fuuuk I want huge gains and Everything HUGE but i gotta be realistic, im gonna eat crazy and rite and im gonna do a good propar cycle and im gonna see what i get out of it, hopefully 20+ pounds being it's my first test cycle and my longest one im gonna run, plus with some crazy ass workouts looks like it can happen too, just gotta make sure im putting the rite stuff and amount in me, I don't wanna put in an extra 300mg of deca if there is no need, but I geuss only experiance will tell. I will do a deca test cycle sometime, but is it rite for my 2nd cycle, first test cycle?

Make sure youre eating at least 4000 cals a day bro... check out the diet forum and the bulking sticky there

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by AandF6969

Make sure youre eating at least 4000 cals a day bro... check out the diet forum and the bulking sticky there

Done already, gonna make sure i get at least 4000 cal/day plan my meals out a week ahead of time, can't wait, just gotta put the rite cycle together now for me.

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 12:31 AM

also would you reccommend some B-6 or B12, or waste of $$?

**bignatt** · 10-20-2004, 02:17 AM

I would go with the second cycle also i have read that 4g of trib prevents testicular atrophy

**as-addicted** · 10-20-2004, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by jaffry20

also would you reccommend some B-6 or B12, or waste of $$?

Get some B-6 for sure.....waste of money? Hell-no, It's the cheapest part of the cycle

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by bignatt

I would go with the second cycle also i have read that 4g of trib prevents testicular atrophy

So take 4g of Trib during my cycle???? or after it???? And this will prevent testicular atrophy instead of taking HCG ?????

Originally Posted by as-addicted

Get some B-6 for sure.....waste of money? Hell-no, It's the cheapest part of the cycle

Done ill get some B6, can you get it at a local Drug store???

**magicstick2003** · 10-20-2004, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by as-addicted

Get some B-6 for sure.....waste of money? Hell-no, It's the cheapest part of the cycle

waste of money if not needed... for example if your not running deca ...

Personally i would go with the second one, maybe even drop the prop.. if it's your first cycle then test alone at even 500 mg a wk will do wonders.... no sense in starting big, you;ll only have to add more and more to get the same results.
*n/m i re read it and i get it now.. id still try the test alone though imo

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by magicstick2003

waste of money if not needed... for example if your not running deca ...

Personally i would go with the second one, maybe even drop the prop.. if it's your first cycle then test alone at even 500 mg a wk will do wonders.... no sense in starting big, you;ll only have to add more and more to get the same results.
*n/m i re read it and i get it now.. id still try the test alone though imo

what about taking 4g of Trib during my cycle???? or after it???? And this will prevent testicular atrophy instead of taking HCG ?????

**jaffry20** · 10-20-2004, 09:45 PM

just want someone to answer it, thanks.

**magicstick2003** · 10-20-2004, 10:21 PM

i;ve heard of people using the trib... i believe it is during your cycle but also ran after to help stimulate the body.. trib is something you can theoretically take all the time, it doesn;t matter if on cycle or not.