Thread: I Dont Give A ****!!!! Help!!!
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12-06-2004, 08:41 AM #1
I Dont Give A ****!!!! Help!!!
I Am 6'0 192 Right Now Im On My 4th Week Of A 12 Week Cycle Of Test E And Deca And I Am Wanting To Get To At Least A Solid 215-225 I Need To Know What The F*** I Need To Do To Get There I Know U All Proly Think Im Nuts Saying This So Early In My Cycle But I Want It So Bad Am I Just To Anxious And Need To Chill Out N Let The Juice Take Its Affect On Me Or What???
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12-06-2004, 08:44 AM #2Associate Member
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u sound like a complete idiot. u started a cycle before knowing what to do and what not to do. all that should have been researched before starting. obviously u don't know much and are the type of person who in it just for looks. Y is it that u want it soooo bad????.
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12-06-2004, 08:44 AM #3
How many cycles have you done?
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12-06-2004, 08:46 AM #4
training, diet and rest.. should get you there...
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12-06-2004, 08:47 AM #5Originally Posted by JustWait05
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12-06-2004, 08:47 AM #6Associate Member
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i guess nobody sees the sillyness and stupidity in the thread.
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12-06-2004, 08:50 AM #7
If you need to know what the f*** to do than you should view your thread when peoplw respond!
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12-06-2004, 08:54 AM #8Associate Member
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Originally Posted by catabolic kid
?????? who was that for????? wasn't too clear?
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12-06-2004, 08:55 AM #9New Member
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You said he's just in it for the looks! What other reason is there besides the strength?
I mean it's not for health, right?
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12-06-2004, 08:56 AM #10
The person who posted this thread.
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12-06-2004, 08:58 AM #11Senior Member
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Hey JustWait.....why don't you just do that until you educate yourself about AS! And whats with the caps on all the words? Learn to type bro.
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12-06-2004, 08:59 AM #12
No everyone just likes to help people out on here instead of acting like hard asses all the time ur the type of person no one really cares to hear from so next time u can keep ur input to urself...
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12-06-2004, 09:00 AM #13Member
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Originally Posted by JustWait05
how old are you?
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12-06-2004, 09:03 AM #14Associate Member
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Originally Posted by malibu
some people actually take body building as a serious sport. who are very dedicated about the diet training and health(YES EVEN WHEN ON AS. U CAN BE SAFE. WELL NOT REALLY WHEN U PEOPLE LIKE JUSTWAIT05 WHO START IT WITHOUT ANY EDUCATION OF THE DRUGS). Supplements are maybe 10% of an advantage to our body.. most important i think is diet!!! i've seen posts of fat ****s who want get cut and huge and ask what drug to use to do that.. THOSE PEOPLE ARE CALLED LAZY!!!!. work hard train hard know the game and then start using AS after knowing all the right info!!
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12-06-2004, 09:03 AM #15
How many calories do you eat in a typical day.
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12-06-2004, 09:04 AM #16Associate Member
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Originally Posted by JustWait05
not a hardass. just know to talk to like a moron to morons. would love to training regiments, cycle histories, diet regiments?? and maybe a pic or too
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all the pros on this thread will give you sooo much usefull info that we all need to help us out. but the most important thing they say is to wait and research before you start anything/
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12-06-2004, 09:07 AM #18Anabolic Member
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You guys don't need to flame this person, as tempting as it might be.
JustWait05,
There are many people here that like to help others, but most of us prefer to help those who first take time to help themselves. It doesn't seem like you've done that. You've jumped into a cycle without taking time to realize what needs to be done.
My best advice to you is to end your cycle, take time to research and create a good diet rest and workout plan, stick to that plan for 2 or 3 months (at the absolute least), then start your cycle again. If you're scrambling to find out what to do right during your cycle, you'll waste most of your gear if not all of it.
If you need help on creating a cycle, a diet plan or a workout routine do the following:
1. Read and reasearch
2. Write out your own cycle, diet or workout
3. Post it for critique
If you are unable to demonstrate that you've educated yourself, then your (uneducated) post will receive harsh answers boarding on flames, replete with questions you should have answered on your own. This is exactly what you're experiencing now.
Best of luck.Last edited by BASK8KACE; 12-06-2004 at 09:14 AM.
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Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
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Originally Posted by JustWait05
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12-06-2004, 09:11 AM #21
Also, in the future, dont title your threads "I dont give a ****, help."
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Originally Posted by catabolic kid
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Dont mind the haters. Some like to give advice. First of all be patient. How much are you taking per week? Are you taking in enough calories per day. How much have you gained in the last four weeks? We need to know these things to help. After about 5 weeks of using AS you body builds up a tolerance to whatever agents you are using. At this point you may have to increase the dose or add another agent or two. Must eat like a savage. At least 225-250 grams of protein/day and if you are just bulking and not concerned about staying lean you should take in twice that amount in complex carbs(brown rice,potatos,whole wheat bread,etc.). You should gain weight then. Why do you need to gain the weight so quickly? Why the rush?
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12-06-2004, 09:46 AM #24Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by ALEXANDER42
You've given good advice. However, the portion of your post highlighted in red (above) is misleading.
JustWait05 has only been on the steroids for 4 weeks. Neither the testosterone enanthate nor the deca will have started to affect him for more than a week (both take 2-3 weeks to start showing effects). It's wrong to suggest that he needs to increase his dose this early.
I do understand how you could make that mistake. There is a study from the University of Maryland regarding homeostasis and increasing dose. The time period to reach homeostais is 1-2 months; however, you have to becareful how you apply that timeframe.
A person should not have to increase his doses only 5 weeks after starting a cycle.Last edited by BASK8KACE; 12-06-2004 at 09:48 AM.
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12-06-2004, 09:50 AM #25Originally Posted by JustWait05
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12-06-2004, 10:06 AM #26Junior Member
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In reference to Bask8Kace's response to my previous posting maybe I was a little off with my timeline. Yes it takes 2-3 weeks for his agents to kick in and homeostasis is roughly 1 month later which translates to a plateau at 6-8 weeks after beginning the cycle. From my own personal experience I have plateaued around this time and have learned that increasing the dose or better yet adding another agent has helped me continue gains. I also noticed that he posted his dose amounts on another thread which is Deca 400/week and Enanthate 500/week. It is my opinion(since I have done the same cycle in the past) that his goal of reaching a 40 pound weight gain is extemely unlikely. I ate very clean and gained about 10 pounds. I know everybody is different but unless this guy is taking in sick amounts of protein and carbs he will not reach his goal with this cycle.
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12-06-2004, 10:20 AM #27VET Retired
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Where do you guy learn this "body builds up a tolerance is AAS" crap. I have never seen it anywhere.
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Originally Posted by ALEXANDER42
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12-06-2004, 10:33 AM #29Junior Member
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Your receptor sites build up a tolerance. It is just like an alcoholic or heroin addict that needs to drink more or shoot up larger dosages to keep getting the same high. This is not opinion it is pure fact.
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Originally Posted by ALEXANDER42
Shall i refer you to the study?
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Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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Also...when you build muscle you added new receptor sites on that new muscle! So any muscle gains will be adding receptor sites.
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Originally Posted by righton
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12-06-2004, 11:13 AM #35
education education and always education! Its the key to success!
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Originally Posted by ALEXANDER42
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Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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Androgen receptor in human skeletal muscle and cultured muscle satellite cells: up-regulation by androgen treatment.
Sinha-Hikim I, Taylor WE, Gonzalez-Cadavid NF, Zheng W, Bhasin S.
Division of Endocrinology, Metabolism, and Molecular Medicine, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.
Androgens stimulate myogenesis, but we do not know what cell types within human skeletal muscle express the androgen receptor (AR) protein and are the target of androgen action. Because testosterone promotes the commitment of pluripotent, mesenchymal cells into myogenic lineage, we hypothesized that AR would be expressed in mesenchymal precursor cells in the skeletal muscle. AR expression was evaluated by immunohistochemical staining, confocal immunofluorescence, and immunoelectron microscopy in sections of vastus lateralis from healthy men before and after treatment with a supraphysiological dose of testosterone enanthate . Satellite cell cultures from human skeletal muscle were also tested for AR expression. AR protein was expressed predominantly in satellite cells, identified by their location outside sarcolemma and inside basal lamina, and by CD34 and C-met staining. Many myonuclei in muscle fibers also demonstrated AR immunostaining. Additionally, CD34+ stem cells in the interstitium, fibroblasts, and mast cells expressed AR immunoreactivity. AR expression was also observed in vascular endothelial and smooth muscle cells. Immunoelectron microscopy revealed aggregation of immunogold particles in nucleoli of satellite cells and myonuclei; testosterone treatment increased nucleolar AR density. In enriched cultures of human satellite cells, more than 95% of cells stained for CD34 and C-met, confirming their identity as satellite cells, and expressed AR protein. AR mRNA and protein expression in satellite cell cultures was confirmed by RT-PCR, reverse transcription and real-time PCR, sequencing of RT-PCR product, and Western blot analysis. Incubation of satellite cell cultures with supraphysiological testosterone and dihydrotestosterone concentrations (100 nm testosterone and 30 nm dihydrotestosterone) modestly increased AR protein levels. We conclude that AR is expressed in several cell types in human skeletal muscle, including satellite cells, fibroblasts, CD34+ precursor cells, vascular endothelial, smooth muscle cells, and mast cells. Satellite cells are the predominant site of AR expression. These observations support the hypothesis that androgens increase muscle mass in part by acting on several cell types to regulate the differentiation of mesenchymal precursor cells in the skeletal muscle.
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That is not the one i original had, that one used oxdrolone at 15mg ED for a few days. Another used nandrolone dacanoate.
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Thanks for the article.
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