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01-19-2005, 03:07 PM #1
Will Anti-Oxidants effect my juice??????
Will anti oxidants effect my juice? The body reconizes certain streroids as foreign objects. Especially orals,.dbol ,..OT Anadrol ..etc. My worry is that if taking a anti oxidant, will it reconize this as a foreign material, thus...seizing it causeing a waste of the product and ruining my cycle,..any info....?
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01-19-2005, 03:53 PM #2
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01-19-2005, 04:00 PM #3VET Retired
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errrrrr. Just where did you get this info? The body see juice as a foreign body?
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01-19-2005, 04:04 PM #4Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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01-19-2005, 04:18 PM #5VET Retired
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How is there a "no-brainer"? Go into detail about this because i think it's incorrect. If the body saw steriods as foreign bodies it would produce anti-bodies thus rendering the gear useless. This does not happen.
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01-19-2005, 04:24 PM #6
If your body saw the gear as foreign then your HTPA wouldn't shut down, but it sees its natural hormone levels being thru the roof and shuts down attempting to fix the unbalance.
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01-19-2005, 04:49 PM #7Originally Posted by big k.l.g
again...i didnt say all gear. Of course it wouldnt see testosterone and other injectables as foreign but it would see some orals as foreign. Besides that you're missing my point. "Will Anti-Oxidants attack the gear, mainly speaking of orals"
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Again I ask were did you get this info? Is this your own logic? Why would the body see methandrostenolone as a foreign body and not boldenone ? (they are very close)
Anti-oxidants attacking gear? Do you even know how anti-oxidants work? Anti-oxidents clean up free radicals not androgens.
Some androgens have anti-oxidant properties as well.
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01-19-2005, 05:14 PM #9Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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01-19-2005, 05:18 PM #10VET Retired
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You have yet to PROVE what you say is true. (trust me it's total crap)
When you show PROOF, to your claim you may get an answer, until then the thread will sink to the bottom because no one can answer your question.
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01-19-2005, 05:19 PM #11
there is an small caption in this months flex about anti-oxidants such as vit C and E combating free radicals produced from strenious exercise, thus helping the muscle building process, so if anything the intake of anti-oxidants is a good thing whilst on juice
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01-19-2005, 05:20 PM #12Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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01-19-2005, 06:02 PM #13
Girls,..again..I didnt say they destroyed the gear, I asked will they. Big KLG, read the post b4 you give answers.....maybe youll get a better response and actually be beneficial to the threads.
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01-19-2005, 06:13 PM #14VET Retired
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Originally Posted by CuttupThe body reconizes certain streroids as foreign objects. Especially orals,.dbol,..OT Anadrol..etc.My worry is that if taking a anti oxidant, will it reconize this as a foreign material, thus...seizing it causeing a waste of the product and ruining my cycle,..any info....?Last edited by BajanBastard; 01-19-2005 at 06:19 PM.
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01-19-2005, 06:27 PM #15Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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01-19-2005, 06:38 PM #16VET Retired
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Originally Posted by Cuttup
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01-19-2005, 06:52 PM #17
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Originally Posted by Cuttup
Those are some interesting questions Cuttup. Good ones, too. Personally, I have yet to see any real conclusive data stating that oral vitamins would indeed interfere with oral steroids . The best way to find the real answer would be to do a self test. Take D-Bol or any other oral steroid for that matter along with your vitamins for 4 weeks. Get a hormonal panel done after week 4 and see what kind of effects that scenario has had upon your hormonal system. Take some time off from the AAS. Repeat that 4 week self test again, minus the vitamins, get a hormonal panel done and see what of effects that scenario has had upon your hormonal system. Compare the 2 hormonal panels. That would be interesting to know.
I do know that Vitamin C will deter the effects of Nolva and Clomid to a certain extent, but EFA's on the other hand will have a positive synergistic effect with those two compounds. There is documentation to support those claims. Just google it. Easy stuff.
Essentially, most anti-oxidants must be either supplied via the diet or from supplements. The more natural the source of the vitamin the better the assimilation of that vitamin. For example, Ester C( which is bonded with a mineral) is much better than of ascorbic acid. Loads of documentation to supprt that theory.
Once again, interesting question Cuttup.
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Originally Posted by scorp
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01-19-2005, 07:04 PM #19
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Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Cuttup will pay for it if he wants to know a clear cut answer to the question that he is laying out on the table. It should only set him back $150 per test. $300 for a good conclusion to a answer is worth it in my book.
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01-20-2005, 08:50 AM #20Originally Posted by scorp
Good suggestion......thanks for the advice. Thats another $300 I GOTTA COME UP WITH! Dont expect me to give you feed back anytime soon,..lol. The question again that Big K doesnt understand is what is dbol ,..how does your body reconize it? will the anti oxidant try to attack it. Big K,..unless you're a doctor/scientist,..you really have no straight answer of what may occur. You keep asking me for proof. If i had proof, i would have never created this thread or asked the question. Im asking the question. You would have to know every compound of dbol,..and how exactly your body sees it/reconizes it,..and then what would a anti oxidant do to it. Maybe nothing, or maybe the opposite. Again, this is something that someone with a degree ir like Skorp said,..someone willing to do lab work on it.
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01-20-2005, 09:08 AM #21Originally Posted by Cuttup
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01-20-2005, 09:33 AM #22
Meso,..are you saying you can efford HGH anytime you're ready....Dogg..like money is pooring out your pockets? Not to many people on here have money to spend on a cycle any given time they are ready on any product they want. Im sure i make as much money as the next guy on here and invest as much on my gear as the next guy....show me a beamer, diamonds, a awesome bachleor crib and your physigue first kid.
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01-20-2005, 09:38 AM #23Originally Posted by Cuttup
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01-20-2005, 09:53 AM #24Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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01-20-2005, 10:01 AM #25
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01-20-2005, 10:06 AM #26
No I will treat you like a kid, and SLAP! for not respecting your elders as well as talking smack about your own dad. now with all this out of the way, how many mgs of dbol are you taking per day? And you said for 4 weeks. So depending on milligrams if you are worried about it affecting potency, only detox after 4 weeks. That should help your liver and ease your mind about loosing effectiveness.
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01-20-2005, 10:14 AM #27Originally Posted by daem
Who are you? Give who what? No one on this thread with the exc or skorp has said anything reasonable! "Bro" has said anything knowledgable or showed me an educational print saying what you, meso or Big K has stated...show some proof.....of whether or not it will effect a oral steroid . Its a simple question or debate. Why would anyone be insulted by the question? What does my 675 post "Newbie self " have to determine a legitamate answer to my question asked? Im a newbie to this board? cause i dont have 4000 post,..whatever guy....i spend my time in the gym,..not on this website...
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01-20-2005, 10:20 AM #28Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Or be like me and tell a mod to do it
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01-20-2005, 10:23 AM #29Originally Posted by Cuttup
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01-20-2005, 10:26 AM #30Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
Did i say it hindered gain? I asked will it? Have you said yes or no with written documentations? No...then say,.your opnion is no,..but you arent for sure...cmon Guy.
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01-20-2005, 10:27 AM #31Originally Posted by Cuttup
Free radicals alter the functioning of the cell. While the cell is somewhat permeable to allow nutrients to enter and wastes to be removed, the free radicals alter this, causing leakage or clogging, and ultimately the death of the cell. Free radicals interfere with the structures inside cells that produce energy, and then leave the cells weak somewhat less defenseless. Free radicals cause LDL (the ‘bad’ cholesterol) to stick to the walls of the arteries.
Free radicals are formed by exposure to such things as tobacco smoke, alcohol, insecticides, radiation, chemicals in the home or at work (chlorine, new carpeting, air fresheners, etc.), even excessive amounts of sunlight. Other causes are a high-fat diet, eating fried foods, or strenuous exercise. It is the free radical production from these sources that we need to be most concerned about, as they cause the excessive and uncontrolled free radicals that can have devastating health effects.
So, friend, while the synthetics are increasing your LDL, stop taking anti-oxidants. You will stunt your recovery from the heavy lifting, allow LDL to bind to your arteries and potentially cause heart problems down the road, and overall decrease the effectiveness of your immune system.
You are a newb, not by post count, but by your attitude and know it all attitude. Snapping, and demanding a study when one has NEVER been done is ignorant.
Spend the money and do the tests yourself, and I can guarantee that after the cycle with anti-oxidants included, you will be healthier, stronger, and larger. It won't be too easy to use yourself as a control, however...
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01-20-2005, 10:33 AM #32Originally Posted by Cuttup
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01-20-2005, 11:04 AM #33
i dont see why everyone is being a dick for him asking a question and meso was the only one being rude.
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01-20-2005, 11:10 AM #34Originally Posted by Jackman
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01-20-2005, 11:11 AM #35Originally Posted by daem
these guys wante proof from me,...supporting what they thought they read,...i was asking the question,..not making the statement that they effect orals,..read the "post Title",..thanks for your advice
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01-20-2005, 11:12 AM #36Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
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01-20-2005, 11:14 AM #37Originally Posted by Jackman
Thanks you sir,..im glad someone could see that...and i dont have time for the wanna be smart azzes who try to know it all and flame without giveing a direct conclusive answer,..its just small talk to me....
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01-20-2005, 11:16 AM #38Originally Posted by Cuttup
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01-20-2005, 11:17 AM #39Originally Posted by Jackman
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01-20-2005, 11:18 AM #40Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
Meso,..im probably older than you kid. I havent read one decent statement youve made,..youve shown me nothing. Show me your accomplishment,..a few good pics or post....
Heres your chance kid...tell mewhat is dbol ,..how does it work,..how does your body reconize it,..in what fashion and then why or why not will a anti oxidant attract to it......Then ill take you more serious guy... Thanks.
I gotta step ot for a while,..when i return i want your legit info to be beneficial to this board...
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