test only

[donopat]

can you get results from only using test? 6-7 weeks and did like 4-5000mgs's over that time.

pat d.

[seanw]

probably but not very much, you need at least ten to twelve weeks to get the best out of Test C or E

[Benches505]

at 6-7 weeks you would be banking on about 3-4 weeks worth of gains.

[donopat]

so if doing cyp c or e, how long and how many mg's? i am trying to avoid having to use nol or clomid.

[Benches505]

I doubt you can get around PCT even in a mini cycle since once you start going over your natural test production you start to shut down. 5,000 MG over 6-7 weeks will shut you down.

[seanw]

I doubt you can get around PCT even in a mini cycle since once you start going over your natural test production you start to shut down. 5,000 MG over 6-7 weeks will shut you down.

Woh brother !!!! make that 500 mg

so for your first cycle do

wk 1-12 Test C or Test E 500mg per week

PCT as usual, you cant avoid this. Well you can but you will lose all your gains and your dick will stay soft for a couple of months

[tupac1983]

Woh brother !!!! make that 500 mg

i think he meant 5,000 mg over the 5-6 week period not in 1 week.lol
and back to the question yes you definately need test e or cyp try somthing like this.
1-12 500mg ew test cyp or test e-(250mg twice a week)
1-12 10mg ed nolva
poss put in 35mg ed d-bol weeks 1-4 to jumpstart the cycle
pct as follows 18 days after last test shot
20mg nolva ed + clomid at (day 1 300mg/days 2-11 100mg/days 12-21 50mg)
hope this helps but please RESEARCH before you decide on anything then come back and post your cycle and we can help you from there good luck.