Testosterones or nandrolones for hair loss

**supplementsavvy** · 03-07-2005, 11:57 PM

Hey guys, maybe one of you guys can answer this for me, I've been trying to figure it out but can't.

I have a predisposition to hair loss and am taking Propecia for it. It works really well and I don't have any sides. I have only taken two short cycles before and am interested in getting back into it but I don't want to sacrifice my hair. Which steroid would be safer for a person with hair loss issues: an injectable testosterone taken with Avodart (probably cypionate as this is what's readily available to me) or a nandrolone (either deca or laurabolin ) taken by itself?

**EastCoaster** · 03-08-2005, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by supplementsavvy

Hey guys, maybe one of you guys can answer this for me, I've been trying to figure it out but can't.

I have a predisposition to hair loss and am taking Propecia for it. It works really well and I don't have any sides. I have only taken two short cycles before and am interested in getting back into it but I don't want to sacrifice my hair. Which steroid would be safer for a person with hair loss issues: an injectable testosterone taken with Avodart (probably cypionate as this is what's readily available to me) or a nandrolone (either deca or laurabolin) taken by itself?

If I were to choose between the two in regard to my hairline, i'd run the deca . Test E is HORRIBLE in the hairline.

**supplementsavvy** · 03-08-2005, 12:59 AM

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll just have to run deca for a few weeks just as a trial to see what happens to my hair. If it's all good then I'll know that my body can handle nandrolones.

I buddy of mine loves his test btu has the same problem as me. He uses a crazy hair loss stack but it works

-Avodart 2.5 mg/day
-Rogaine
-Revivogen
-Nizoral 2%
-Topical spiro
-Azleic acid
-Vit A spray (before rogaine)
-A shampoo which encourages circulation
-A micronutrient shampoo
-Emu oil

Needless to say he doesn't lose any hair while on cycle anymore!

***xxx*** · 03-08-2005, 03:21 AM

dont run deca and propecia! u ll lose ur hair. if u want to cycle than use test, finasterid fights the 5ar conversiopn to dht so that might work.

**supplementsavvy** · 03-08-2005, 11:51 AM

Thanks guys. They have a few new topical remedies out that look very promising. They have a topical Avodart with a liposomal delivery, I think this would really help with MPB. There are a few other topical DHT inhibitors in the works, can't wait till the miracle drugs hit the market. Rogaine and Finasteride are good, but not as effective as I had hoped.

**Duke of Earl** · 03-08-2005, 03:17 PM

deca aloe sucks anyhow - I'd go test + avodart

**filter123** · 03-08-2005, 03:50 PM

what about test E with deca for a person pre-disposed to hair loss?

what would you suggest they stack with that to help fight the baldness????

***BajanBastard*** · 03-08-2005, 03:57 PM

Testosterone and a 5-AR blocker is best. You can avoid the effect of test on your prostate and scalp w/o affecting the benefits.

Inhibition of 5{alpha}-reductase blocks prostate effects of testosterone without blocking anabolic effects.

Borst SE, Lee JH, Conover CF.

VA Medical Center, GRECC-182, 1601 SW Archer Rd., Gainesville, FL 32608-1197. [email protected]).

We studied the effect of the 5alpha-reductase inhibitor MK-434 on responses to testosterone (T) in orchiectomized (ORX) male Brown Norway (BN) rats aged 13 mo. At 4 wk after ORX or sham surgery, a second surgery was performed to implant pellets delivering 1 mg T/day or placebo pellets. During the second 4 wk of the study, rats received injections of MK-434 (0.75 mg/day) or vehicle injections. Treatment with T elevated serum T to 75% above that for sham animals (P = 0.002) and did not affect serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) or serum estradiol. T treatment also caused an elevation of prostate T and a marked elevation of prostate DHT. During the second half of the study, ORX rats lost an average of 18.86 +/- 4.62 g body wt. T completely prevented weight loss, and the effect was not inhibited by MK-434 (P < 0.001). ORX produced a nonsignificant trend toward a small (5%) decrease in the mass of the gastrocnemius muscle (P = 0.0819). This trend was also reversed by T, and the effect of T was not blocked by MK-434. T caused a significant 16% decrease in subcutaneous fat that was not blocked by MK-434 (P < 0.05). Finally, T caused a 65% decrease in urine excretion of deoxypyridinoline, a marker of bone resorption, and again the effect was not blocked by MK-434 (P < 0.0001). In contrast, T caused a greater than fivefold increase in prostate mass, and the effect was almost completely blocked by MK-434 (P < 0.0001). This study demonstrates that 5alpha-reductase inhibitors may block the undesirable effects of T on the prostate, without blocking the desirable anabolic effects of T on muscle, bone, and fat.

**filter123** · 03-08-2005, 03:59 PM

can you give some examples of 5-ar's ?

***BajanBastard*** · 03-08-2005, 04:04 PM

Finasteride and durasteride are 5-AR blockers and are the best options with the later being the most effetive.

**supplementsavvy** · 03-08-2005, 07:23 PM

There are two enzymes responsible for the conv of test to DHT. Propecia targets one of these enzymes, type 1. Unfortunately, it's mainly the type 2 enzyme that's most active in the scalp. Avodart targets both type 1 and 2 enzymes, so it's much more effective for hairloss. If you have a predisposition to hair loss, I don't think Propecia would cut it while on-cycle, use Avodart.

**SMYL_GR8** · 03-08-2005, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Testosterone and a 5-AR blocker is best. You can avoid the effect of test on your prostate and scalp w/o affecting the benefits.

Inhibition of 5{alpha}-reductase blocks prostate effects of testosterone without blocking anabolic effects.

Borst SE, Lee JH, Conover CF.

VA Medical Center, GRECC-182, 1601 SW Archer Rd., Gainesville, FL 32608-1197. [email protected]).

We studied the effect of the 5alpha-reductase inhibitor MK-434 on responses to testosterone (T) in orchiectomized (ORX) male Brown Norway (BN) rats aged 13 mo. At 4 wk after ORX or sham surgery, a second surgery was performed to implant pellets delivering 1 mg T/day or placebo pellets. During the second 4 wk of the study, rats received injections of MK-434 (0.75 mg/day) or vehicle injections. Treatment with T elevated serum T to 75% above that for sham animals (P = 0.002) and did not affect serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) or serum estradiol. T treatment also caused an elevation of prostate T and a marked elevation of prostate DHT. During the second half of the study, ORX rats lost an average of 18.86 +/- 4.62 g body wt. T completely prevented weight loss, and the effect was not inhibited by MK-434 (P < 0.001). ORX produced a nonsignificant trend toward a small (5%) decrease in the mass of the gastrocnemius muscle (P = 0.0819). This trend was also reversed by T, and the effect of T was not blocked by MK-434. T caused a significant 16% decrease in subcutaneous fat that was not blocked by MK-434 (P < 0.05). Finally, T caused a 65% decrease in urine excretion of deoxypyridinoline, a marker of bone resorption, and again the effect was not blocked by MK-434 (P < 0.0001). In contrast, T caused a greater than fivefold increase in prostate mass, and the effect was almost completely blocked by MK-434 (P < 0.0001). This study demonstrates that 5alpha-reductase inhibitors may block the undesirable effects of T on the prostate, without blocking the desirable anabolic effects of T on muscle, bone, and fat.