Cycle opinions

**Tedmax195** · 04-08-2002, 04:17 PM

I have been reading alot since i joined this board and have been natural since i started. but now i would like to do a cycle. I have read the educational threads and the first time cycle and talked to my brother who is dieselfuel and have decided on this cycle.

week 1-8 Winni tabs 50 mg eod
Week 1-8 deca 200 mg a week
week 7 clomid 100mg daily
week 8 clomid 50 mg daily
I was curious if i could add clen in this cycle and if i can when.
my stats
28yrs, 5'10, 195lbs, 20% bf training for 10 years did not add nutrition into the training until 5 years ago taking 200-250 grams of protein right now plus 15 grams of glutamine. how much more protein should i take, i would like to cut up and add a little size.
should i change this cycle keep it what do you say.
Thanks in advance

**iron4life79** · 04-08-2002, 04:43 PM

ok,
weeks 1-10 test enanthate 500mg/week
weeks 1-10 deca (or eq) 400mg/week
weeks 5-10 winny tabs 50mg /ed
clomid 300mg day1
100mg days2-11
50mg days12-21
make sure you have some anti'es on hand just in case you need them.....you never know. try and get between 300 and 350 grams of protein per day.

peace bb79

**Tedmax195** · 04-08-2002, 04:45 PM

do i really need the test in there or could i go without it.

**iron4life79** · 04-08-2002, 04:50 PM

t.m.
you could go without it, but i wouldnt recommend it. test should be the base of every cycle, and with deca , if you have libido problems this will help immensely. you could start without it, and if you run into problems then start with prop instead of enan. prop reacts quickly, so much less waiting for results.........and relief, if you need it.

peace bb79

**Tedmax195** · 04-08-2002, 05:11 PM

Thanks for taking the time to answer. (and explain your answer)

**iron4life79** · 04-08-2002, 05:16 PM

good luck bro.............

peace bb79

**metzger66** · 04-08-2002, 06:39 PM

I agree with barbells on the test I am roughly your same size Tedmax I would like to keep in contact with you to see how it works for you since I am considering the same route. Pm me sometime and we can compare notes and goals.

metzger66

**Tedmax195** · 04-08-2002, 07:51 PM

Barbells 79
Thanks for the advice but i decided to take a little from your info and make a cycle i hope your not offended...
week 1-10 deca 200mg a week
week 5-10 winni tabs 50 mg ed
clomid 300mg day1
100mg days2-11
50mg days12-21
I have another question for you about which wini tabs would be better
Zambon tabs 2mg tabs per 100 40.00Us funds
Or Genepharm stromba 5 mg per tab per 90 28.00 US funds
Thanks again for your advice bb79 thank you for sharing your vast knowledge.

ps metzger66 i will keep you informed i plan on starting this cycle in may i added you to my buddy list.

**metzger66** · 04-08-2002, 11:50 PM

Great to hear that keep me up to date. I added you to m ybuddy list too.

Thanks
Metzger66

**iron4life79** · 04-09-2002, 04:49 PM

tedmax
go with the genepharms bro, ive used both and the gennys are just as effective and you wont have to take as many freakin tabs.......... dont bow any more either ok? im here to help.

peace bb79

**Tedmax195** · 04-09-2002, 04:51 PM

good stuff bb79 thanks again(i'm not bowing again)

**iron4life79** · 04-09-2002, 04:55 PM

you decided against adding the test? i wanted to ask you why in my last post but i forgot to. im not offended at all bro, and theres no flame intended here, im just curious as to why youre against using it.

peace bb79

**Tedmax195** · 04-09-2002, 05:00 PM

I decided on that because i wanted this cycle to be mild and didn't want to take more than 1 shot a week with the deca i'm still not sure how i will react to be stuck with it.

**iron4life79** · 04-09-2002, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Tedmax195
I decided on that because i wanted this cycle to be mild and didn't want to take more than 1 shot a week with the deca i'm still not sure how i will react to be stuck with it.

good deal bro, thats using youre head too. but if you react well to the deca , adding the test should be no problem, and you will still keep it fairly mild no matter which test you use.(enan or prop)and you can still do one shot, just mix them together. i just hope you arent dissapointed because of those dosages. theyre pretty low brother, except for the winny.

peace bb79

**Tedmax195** · 04-09-2002, 06:23 PM

BB79
I can't help being confused one person says clomid is good then someone says clomid is good and have some nolva on hand and on the other end i hear foget all of that and get some liquidex or arimedix what's going on here.
Show me the way

**iron4life79** · 04-09-2002, 06:34 PM

ok, nolva is an estrogen BLOCKER. arimidex and liquidex are aromatase inhibitors. inhibitors are are better than blockers,imho, for obvious reasons. nolva has been the standard for such a long time that a lot of bros still swear by it, and i still use it occasionally. but my loyalties have swung since i tried liquidex. that and the ari are the gold standard as far as anti'es are concerned.
do not use clomid as an anti estrogen, use either nolva, proviron or the liquidex or arimidex. keep in mind arimidex is pricey, and liquidex is just the generic form of ari.

peace bb79