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Thread: Disagreement with Frontloading
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04-29-2005, 09:48 AM #1
Disagreement with Frontloading
Having a discussion with a fellow AS user on frontloading. I have read all advice of people who think its great and others think its a waste. Let's just assume that someone has decided to frontload for a 12 week Test C cycle.
Assuming they are going to run the Test C at approximately 400mgs a week (actually they are going to do a shot of 200 mgs every 3 days which works out to be approximately 467mg per week).
An adviseable frontload for the above cycle would be to increase the injections from 200mgs to 400mgs for the first week. An alternative solution would be to increase the number of injections by 2 for the first week.
Consideration also could be given to increasing the injections during week 2. I have seen people doubling the dosage again for week 2. I have also seen people increase the dosage by 50% in week 2.
Is this accurate information?
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04-29-2005, 10:17 AM #2
Personally I think frontloading is more mental than physical.(gotta have those gains quick quick quick) Havent read anything yet that would change my mind about that.
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04-29-2005, 12:17 PM #3
If you play with the Roid calc (http://www.come.to/roidcalc), you'll see that frontloading is real and makes a difference. Basically, by doubling up on your dosing the first week, you bring your accumulated bloodlevels to near max within a week. Otherwise it could take 3 to 4 weeks to reach this level. This is why people often refer to Test not kicking in until week 3.
Ideally you want a cycle that has a 'Devil's tower' proile i.e. a steep increase in blood levels, a long plateau, and then a sharp dropoff. You can achieve this by frontloading the first week or two, maintaining for a few weeks, and then switching to shorter-acting esters the last few weeks.
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04-29-2005, 12:27 PM #4
Maetenloch,
The calculator looks awesome. I just do not see how you use your calculator if you are using Test C or E.
I am sure it is something that I am just overlooking, but I just do not see how you do it.
Thanks for the input.
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04-29-2005, 12:35 PM #5
I have never front loaded by doubling up dosages. I prefer to use a shorter ester test the first 4 weeks like prop and it works great for me.
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04-29-2005, 12:39 PM #6
Mike_xxl has a great post explaining frontloading. Using prop to kickstart does the same thing. This should help: When will my "GEAR" kick in & frontloading explained...NOW READ IT!
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04-29-2005, 02:34 PM #7Associate Member
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Originally Posted by tempbrit
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04-29-2005, 04:08 PM #8Originally Posted by tempbritOriginally Posted by tempbrit
Also their half-lives seem wrong - test E should be 10.5 days not 5, and deca should be 15 days not 7.
There used to be better calculators, but they seem to have gone away. So now I'm made my own spreadsheet that I used to plan out cycles. Plus with Excel I can make pretty graphs showing my blood levels at moment in time. :-)
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04-29-2005, 04:23 PM #9
Frontloading is the way to go, you can check out my current cycle in members results. Test E kicked in within 2 weeks for me..........I dont like waiting for 4-5 weeks.
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04-29-2005, 05:18 PM #10
Even if you double or triple the dosages of Test E or C it still takes about 4 weeks to kick in. I think that using prop EOD or ED gets you pumped real quick until your Test E or C kicks in.
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04-29-2005, 05:58 PM #11Originally Posted by sooners04
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04-29-2005, 06:07 PM #12New Member
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Originally Posted by Maetenloch
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04-29-2005, 06:08 PM #13Originally Posted by Maetenloch
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04-29-2005, 06:32 PM #14Originally Posted by roidattack
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04-29-2005, 06:53 PM #15Originally Posted by roidattack
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04-29-2005, 07:08 PM #16
Here's a good thread on frontloading that the Similar Threads function came up with -
When will my "GEAR" kick in & frontloading explained...NOW READ IT!
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04-30-2005, 01:41 PM #17Originally Posted by Maetenloch
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04-30-2005, 04:12 PM #18Originally Posted by Maetenloch
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04-30-2005, 04:19 PM #19
the only problem i have with frontloading is that i don't think it fully takes into consideration your bodies mechanisms to compensate for higher test levels over time. i think the "receptor degradation" theory has been debunked, but your body has other mechanisms to maintain homeostasis. you can have high levels of test, but if enough of it is bound istead of free, it won't have the same effect.
i can do 100mg of suspension at the beginning of my cycle, and it has a completely different effect than 100mg at the end of my cycle, even with theoreticly identical levels of AS in my system at both times.
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04-30-2005, 04:30 PM #20
I am running a gram of test E per week ,the first week I frontloaded 2250mg and by week 2 I could feel the test. And it hits you quick.
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05-02-2005, 01:02 PM #21
Crispyhoale,
The reason for the title of the thread was because I was having a conversation with someone at my gym who holds himself out to be an expert with AS and he had a different view towards frontloading. He was using the ramp up/ramp down approach, which was completely different from everything I have learned about, therefore I was seeking confirmation.
Sorry I did not make that clear.
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05-02-2005, 01:10 PM #22Originally Posted by tempbrit
IMHO, anybody who still likes ramping is prolly a dummy.
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05-02-2005, 01:39 PM #23
I agree. However, this guy is huge and is the person people in my gym seek advice from when it comes to cycling! As a Newbie myself (into week 6 of my first cycle) just double checking most everything I see and read.
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05-02-2005, 02:10 PM #24Originally Posted by Maetenloch
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05-02-2005, 02:57 PM #25Associate Member
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