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    Question First Cycle Estro/Water Retention

    Im getting ready to start my first cycle. Week 1-12: Test e/c (which ever I can get) Week 8-12: Test e/c and Winny.
    What are the ideal anti-estrogens I should take while on this cycle and how often should I take it?
    What can I take to prevent water retention?
    Also, should I run only clomid in my PCT (2 weeks after last test/winny injections)?

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    run winny from 10-14
    test E 1-12 if its Test C it has a longer halflife by about 4 days so your going to have to move your Win run time back 4 days so it lines up w/ your pct
    personally i hate win but GOOD LUCK!

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    The only reason I'm running winny at the end to get rid of any water retention and to lean out. Winny will make me lean-out right? Also, why do you hate it? Its not too late NOT to take it. I have like 2 months before I would start the winny.

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    winni drys me out HARD which sux for my knees totally stops all squatting and i have a nice widow's peak dont need it going any father back..
    VAR > WIN by far..

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    So would you say eq would be better to lean me out? In the end, would I look more cut if I take winstrol for the last 4-6 weeks or ran eq?

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    winny kills your cholesterol values too. I would suggest Eq instead, then again Im not a big fan of any oral AAS. Getting lean really comes down to diet and cardio, not what gear you take too

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhorn814
    winny kills your cholesterol values too. I would suggest Eq instead, then again Im not a big fan of any oral AAS. Getting lean really comes down to diet and cardio, not what gear you take too
    EQ is great for vascularity mix that w/ some tren and your gonna be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    EQ is great for vascularity mix that w/ some tren and your gonna be happy
    I agree w/ you, but its this guys first cycle so he definitely shouldnt start w/ tren .

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    How is winny when it comes to vascularity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhorn814
    I agree w/ you, but its this guys first cycle so he definitely shouldnt start w/ tren.
    ROFL fergot
    could be worse .. could be a tren only cycle .. but yeah
    win is great for vasculariy assuming your under 10%

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    Run the winny 8-14 or 10-14 which would line you up to pct. At 50mg per day and not running more than 6 weeks you should be fine. Also I would run nolva(nolvadex -tamoxifen citrate) 10mg ed with the entire cycle and bump nolva to 20mg during pct with the clomid. This should answer your original questions.

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    oh yeah might wanna shoot winni ED or Drink it

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    So you guys DO think drinking winny is as effective as injecting it?

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