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05-27-2005, 03:25 PM #1Junior Member
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First time ever
Well after all my questions and reading I have decided to not do the dreaded Dbol only cycle. I have decided to pick up some test E along with nolvadex and clomid. My stats are age 25 weight 155 height 5'10. I have been working out for about 5 years, I'm an extreme ectomorph. I'm pretty nervous about the whole needle idea, but it looks to be the best way to go about it. I'm really writting this to get some input about other peoples experiences with Test E( how much you gained, how you felt,needle size, any tiny little detail you may have ). Any info or comments you have will be a great help. here is what my cycle will look like
w1 - 4 dbol 30mg/day(tentative)
w1 -10 test e 400mg
w1 -10 nolvadex 20mg/day
w12-15 clomid 300mg first day 100 day 2 etc
I may use the dbol for a kick start the first 4 weeks, but from what I have been reading it doesn't agree with everyone and I'm very senistive to chemicals. Once again any info would be great especially injecting information
Thanks brotha's I know you won't disappoint me
later
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05-27-2005, 03:33 PM #2
i personally would say 500mg weekly test e 10-12wks,split it into 2 shots mond & thur,run the nolva 10-20mg daily id start with 10 n see how you go.after last shot of test up the nolva to 20 and run it all the way through your pct,you should start to notice gains in size week4-6 thats why i would rather do a 12weeker.
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05-27-2005, 03:37 PM #3
i just came off a cycle of test e 750mg/wk , EQ 625mg/wk.. and of course 100mg/ED of prop for the first 10 days and d-bols 50mg's ED for the first 5 weeks... i gained about 30-35lbs and kepted about 25lbs of it...
heres wat i would do
wk 1-5 dbol 40mg's
wk 1-12 test e (test doesn't kick-in till about wk 6-7)
wk 2-12 nolvdex 30mg/day up the dosage if u need to
wk 14-17 300mgs/day 1 100mg's/10days 50mg's/until gone
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05-27-2005, 03:38 PM #4Junior Member
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Thanks for the quick reply! How much should I expect to gain? should I use the dbol considering what I have said above. Keep the info coming brotha !!! and Thanks again I can always count on this board to take care of their members
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05-27-2005, 03:44 PM #5Junior Member
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you guys say up the nolva if I need to how will I know "if I need too" nipples getting sore of if I starting getting bloated
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05-27-2005, 04:06 PM #6
if ur nipples get sore, they start to burn/irritate u, if u think u look a lil to bloated for u liking u can up it to help kick it.... also...while im on a cycle i always takes vitamins, b-12 shots, liv-52, and milk T (the last 2 cleanse ur liver.) as far as the dbols go.. start out doin 30mg's and if u want more of a pump (which u prop will) just up the dosage.. but i wouldn't go higher than 50 being that its ur first cycle
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05-27-2005, 04:59 PM #7Junior Member
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ok thanks for the info any other comments from anyone out there. I was reading some education threads and many of them suggest using just the Test e for the first cycle until you know how you react.
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05-27-2005, 05:24 PM #8
i would work on your diet first. You only weigh 155 lbs, you should try and gain naturally more before trying gear. Without a solid base and proper diet, you wont get much out of steroids and will lose most of your gains b/c you arent near your genetic potential yet. Go the the diet forum on here and check out the bulking sticky. If youre not eating like that, you need to eat like that if you want to gain weight.
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06-03-2005, 12:22 AM #9Junior Member
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I'll took a nice long read in the diet forum and I'll be making some adjustments to my diet before the cycle begins......i have decided against the dbol and may add some winny to solidify the gains
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06-03-2005, 12:45 AM #10Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Shogun97
Some guys have even tried to use dbols to "kickstart" other cycles, like a test e and deca cycle... only to find the dbol gains come fast and furious and then even though you discontinue the dbol just as the deca/test is starting to kick in, weight is still lost from the dbol taking its gains back when withdrawn. So you end up with being very disappointed when you real longer lasting deca gains actually are just stagnant or even loosing gains when you should be in your best period.
As for the winny... be forewarned. A great number of guys get arthritus or arthritus like problems from winny. It drys out your bone joints bad, even degenerates your cartilidge, can cause you new found problems like bursitus, tendenitus... damage to rotator cuff in shoulder, tennis elbow or knee bursitus can be nearly permanent lingering problems if you injur your joints when on winny. Also winny can be one of the worst steroids for provoking hair loss and even though its not very androgenic and women take this, it causes permanent hair loss in them too. I believe it doesnt convert to estrogen but has a very high likelihood to convert to DHT, the hair loosing hormone.
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06-03-2005, 12:49 AM #11Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by inevitable
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06-03-2005, 12:56 AM #12Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Shogun97
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06-03-2005, 01:02 AM #13Originally Posted by Ntpadude
Winny a weight loss steroid?
There's NO steroid that really helps you lose weight. The diet is what decides whether it's a bulker or a cutter. The difference is the water retention properties of the different substances.
Sorry, but if someone has built a strong foundation prior to steroid useage, does the proper research, planning, and such, has their diet in check, their training in check, and does a proper PCT, then they will keep a lot of their gains. 4 months & all is lost. Comeon. Do you stop working out all together after your cycles???
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06-03-2005, 01:09 AM #14Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by BigPancho
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06-03-2005, 01:10 AM #15Associate Member
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i roll with big pancho on this one
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06-04-2005, 10:39 AM #16Junior Member
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yeah I think I'm with him as well......I really appreciate the advice but I almost feel like I'm being flamed here.....there has been a few guys that have started at a weight similar to myself and made 25lbs gains with the majority being kept. As far as your advice about test E, according to what this board has to say you might wanna check your sources of information....I know the gains can be quite watery and difficult to keep because of this but losing it ALL in 4 months???? As for the winny info can someone clarify this for me as I have decided to add winny tabs (don't wanna shot eod) week 6 - 12
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06-04-2005, 11:40 AM #17
winny will not help you lose weight it hardens your muscles up,diet decides wether you lose or gain weight.winny should be taken ed you can get away with jabs eod but oral ed,pers i would use jabs ed aswell.
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06-04-2005, 11:44 AM #18
your cycle look's good bro. But i would lay off it for a while your not even near your genetic peek work harder and diet is key
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06-04-2005, 05:14 PM #19Junior Member
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thanks stocky you are probably right.....and to booz what about the side effects that were mentioned about the winny that was more of a concern for me.....from what I understand many of the sides are from what you are genetically predisposed to and the gear just speeds up the process
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