True life: 19 years old 245 Pounds

[thebigsicilion]

Yes, I know that at 28 its not that impressive. But I was stuck on 380-390 since I was a sophmore in college or 20 years old.

[nickm748]

wow this thread has come a long way, personaly I dont care if he juices or not.

When people say O hes only big because he juices they are just jelous and need to come up with exuses so they can sleep at night.

[Nicky B]

wow this thread has come a long way, personaly I dont care if he juices or not.

When people say O hes only big because he juices they are just jelous and need to come up with exuses so they can sleep at night.

The special smiley

[dirtyvegas]

Black Americans DO have good genetics. Great genetics in fact. Black people make up roughly 13% of the American population and yet they DOMINATE many different sports, including bodybuilding. If that ain't good genetics, I don't know what is... You can't deny, Germans, Black Americans and Russians/Polacks/etc. can build muscle better than anyone else.

please ide love to see a study on this but not one done by what you believe. thats a bunch of bulllsshit and you know it...

~DV~

[nickm748]

The special smiley

Yea I really kinda contradicted what I said earlier but I changed my mind after reading what the other members wrote

[dirtyvegas]

Yea I really kinda contradicted what I said earlier but I changed my mind after reading what the other members wrote

OOoo how ignorant of you. I changed my mind. thats a joke.. somthin a little kid would do..

[SpiderRico]

I garentee he has a great genetic background but the only reason i would say he juices is becasue they showed picks of him a year before and then look at him now he gained over 90 pounds in a year...... little fishy there but the way he trains the beast he is i wouldnt take anything away from him hes an animal

[Fjock]

lol i didnt even know about the 90 lbs in 1 year part! If that fact doesnt seal this argument, i dont know what does.

just maybe genetics could lead 90 pounds of muscle in a year

hell that sounds like some serious GH

[Drummerboy]

again,

[HumanPerfection1]

the kids big as hell but his diet sucks, too much fat, hes gonna have a heart attack, for all the crap he ate he dident look bad, just needs some lats

[HumanPerfection1]

madd anadrol

[HumanPerfection1]

look at his face, gh is possbile

[Defconx3]

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[Fjock]

**Ahem Mods...***

if you check the last page of posts ull see that this thread is still on topic. no need for closing. if it doesnt interest you, find another thread. theres a sh*t load of them.

[beefjr22]

[Defconx3]

if you check the last page of posts ull see that this thread is still on topic. no need for closing. if it doesnt interest you, find another thread. theres a sh*t load of them.

I think it is worth closing BECAUSE there is no definative answer to the question, it is just about peoples opinions. The arguements will continue forever. I am entitled to voice my opinion about this thread just as you are able to say that I should move on to another one. Ultimately, it will be the mod's decision whether or not to close it.

Is that alright with you?

[phalanx]

ya i think it should get closed also unless u personally know the guy nobodys knows the answer and if someone says they know him on here its most likely a lie and there answer is bullshit

[Defconx3]

ya i think it should get closed also unless u personally know the guy nobodys knows the answer and if someone says they know him on here its most likely a lie and there answer is bullshit

Agreed.

[phalanx]

thats what i said

[guest589745]

WHERE can I find pics of this kid? Link? anything? PM me please, id like to see him.

[dirtyvegas]

in regards to that post about blacks/ germans building muscle better...
yknow I have a theory about this. I know it might sound retarded but, maybe after the years of hard slavery african americans were put through they started to get bigger and stronger via evolution. Just a thought.

I wouldnt go as far to say that.but your intitled to your oppinion or theory..


~DV~

[dirtyvegas]

nooo shiit and itll be the same next month if its not closed...theres no point to this thread weather its on TOPIC or NOT...

To me its completly OFF topic..Look you got guys takin about germans and Black Peeps dominating bodybuilding and every other sport which is BS. And People saying Blacks have good geens cause of slave labor.. Which is also Bullshiit. WAY off topic and has nothing to do with the thread directly or indirectly..If i were MOD ide close it. A thread like this leads to arguments and bad comments.. And has nothing to do with STEROID QUESTIONS FORUM- put this thread somewhere else.

~DV~

[scriptfactory]

please ide love to see a study on this but not one done by what you believe. thats a bunch of bulllsshit and you know it...

~DV~

I really hope you are joking about this...

That’s the explosive “N” word—natural. “Nurture” alone cannot explain the remarkable trends. Over the past 30 years, as sport has opened wide to athletes from almost every country, the results have become increasingly segregated. There are only 800 million blacks, or one in eight of the world population, but athletes of African origin hold every major world running record from the 100 meters to the marathon. In the United States, where African Americans make up about 13% of the population, almost 90% of professional basketball players, 70% of the National Football League, and more than a third of professional baseball is black. In Britain, with a black population of less than 2%, one in 5 professional soccer players is black. Blacks have also come to dominate world boxing.

Athletes who trace their ancestry to western African coastal states, including British, Caribbean and American blacks, are the quickest and best leapers in the world. Consequently, they almost completely monopolize the sprints up to 400 meters. No white, Asian, or East African runners have broken 10 seconds in the 100m. Athletes of West African descent hold the top two hundred times in the 100m—all less than 10 seconds––and 797 of the top 800 times. All 32 finalists in the last four Olympic men’s 100-meter races were West African. The likelihood of that happening based on population numbers alone is 0.0000000000000000000000000000000001. Yet there are no—not one—premier distance runners who trace their ancestry to this region in Africa.

Taken from this page: http://www.jonentine.com/skeptic/entine.htm

Just do a search on "sports by race" or something like that and a million pages will pop up supporting my statements. Everyone knows that Europeans are the strongest people in the world. Look at the WSM and powerlifting championships.

People of Western African descent (i.e. the people who became the slaves of America) have a significantly higher number of fast twitch muscle fibers than any other race in the world. Bodybuilding is primarily the development of fast twitch muscle fibers, everyone knows this. Hence, wouldn't it make since for black people to develop big muscles easier?

[scriptfactory]

I have to add, different races have different strengths and weaknesses. Just because black people are generally faster and white people stronger doesn't mean that any one race is "better" than another one. However, genetics don't lie and certain races have better genetics to do certain things.

To me its completly OFF topic..Look you got guys takin about germans and Black Peeps dominating bodybuilding and every other sport which is BS. And People saying Blacks have good geens cause of slave labor.. Which is also Bullshiit. WAY off topic and has nothing to do with the thread directly or indirectly..If i were MOD ide close it. A thread like this leads to arguments and bad comments.. And has nothing to do with STEROID QUESTIONS FORUM- put this thread somewhere else.

While I do agree that this thread should be moved to another forum I do NOT believe it should be closed. I think that you, dirtvegas, are simply in denial... and don't want to recognize the truth and the power of genetics.

[Squatman51]

i agree with scriptfactory, blacks have very good genetics. It just seems like their born with strength and speed.

[dirtyvegas]

I have to add, different races have different strengths and weaknesses. Just because black people are generally faster and white people stronger doesn't mean that any one race is "better" than another one. However, genetics don't lie and certain races have better genetics to do certain things.
While I do agree that this thread should be moved to another forum I do NOT believe it should be closed. I think that you, dirtvegas, are simply in denial... and don't want to recognize the truth and the power of genetics.

Denial about what? somthing you claim and a very short list of others.That is not a Scientific Study,just another sports writer pondering up things to make a name for himself and stirring a mess of shiit up as he put it.

He only clamis, but shows no SCIENTIFIC STUDIES..IMO it looks like hes trying to promate his book "TABOO" and make a buck..

The guy is not a Scientist or a Doctor just another journalist and we all know how journalist can be..!!

Also he mentions blacks as better sprinters and jumpers .

"quote"
The evidence that there are bio-culturally grounded differences between populations in body type, physiology, and athletic performance is overwhelming and growing. Although the African biological edge in some sports is not great, at the level of an elite athlete, even a small advantage can be the difference between a gold medal and finishing out of the money.

There are so many factors involved.. I believe each race has its ups and downs when it comes to sports and EDUCATION, do a google on that.

Yes you are right different races have different strengths and weaknesses.
Im German all the way, but i dont go around talking about how good my genetics are and how fast i build muscle, I dont feel its right to others. You claim that Blacks "DOMINATE" alot of sports including BB'ing.The fact is there are so many different angles of debate we can sit here till were fifty and go back and forth and get nowhere with this. Also this is an Anabolic Forum Not a Racial debate forum on which race has better genetics,which race "domminates" sport and so forth. I dont know why I even bother repling to this comments you make. It will lead nowhere..And this is why the thread should be closed. And one more reason Is its WAY OFF topic. If these arnt good enough reasons to close it, then by all means you can find another to argue about GENETICS. It really is a waste of time.

~DV~

My last comment on this thread.

[scriptfactory]

How can a discussion on genetics not be right or unfair to certain races? We are all humans, and all humans are unique. I am not mad or jealous that naturally, many of my white friends are indeed pound for pound stronger than me! It's true, I have close to 20" biceps and curl the same amount as my white friend with 18" biceps (I blame my long ass arms... ) Muscle hypertrophy occurs at a much fast in me than in my friend, and it doesn't matter. Certain people are genetically gifted, be it with strength or muscle size or whatever, and if you have good genetics BE PROUD and consider your self lucky!

Indeed, we should all educate ourselves on this subject as it is; 1) interesting and 2) extremely relevant to steroid use and bodybuilding.


Her are some studies and stuff. Enjoy.
http://www.arthurhu.com/99/05/raceath.txt
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/86/3/915
http://www.physicsforums.com/archive...fferences.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.science.smith.edu/exer_sc...ceh/Price2.htm
http://www.science.smith.edu/exer_sc...aceh/Price.htm
http://www.science.smith.edu/exer_sc...ceh/Race03.htm

J Appl Physiol 1984 Jun;56(6):1647-9

Density of lean body mass is greater in blacks than in whites.

Schutte JE, Townsend EJ, Hugg J, Shoup RF, M****a RM, Blomqvist CG.

Previous studies have reported that Blacks have 10-20% more bone
mineral than Whites of the same height. Theoretically, this should
mean that the lean body mass of Blacks is denser than that of Whites,
such that formulas for calculating lean body mass from density in
Whites will overestimate the lean body mass (and thus underestimate
fatness) in Blacks. To determine if the lean body mass of Blacks is
indeed denser than that of Whites, we measured density, total body
water, and anthropometric dimensions in 19 white and 15 black male
college students. The black and white cohorts were nearly identical
in height, weight, and total body water. Among the Whites there was
no significant difference between the observed density and that
predicted from anthropometry, nor were there any significant
differences between the dimensions of body composition calculated
from total body water and from observed density. Among the Blacks,
however, the observed density was significantly greater than that
predicted from anthropometry, and the lean body mass calculated from
observed density was significantly greater than that calculated from
total body water. These results are consistent with the hypothesis
that the lean body mass of the Blacks is denser than that of the
Whites. Separate formulas should therefore be used for converting
density to body composition. Based on our data, the correct formula
for Blacks is: %fat = 100 X [(4.374/density) - 3.928]. This formula
indicates a lean body density of 1.113 g/cm3 in Blacks compared with
1.100 in Whites.

[beefjr22]

[Drummerboy]

my god, i feel i am a little more stupid for reading this totally wasted thread.

[Defconx3]

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[Drummerboy]

its not locked yet

[JohnJenson]

Yes he is on steroids !!!!!! i like DOO DOO!!!

[heckler45_2000]

I bet all these numbers below look good dont they. They are just a few 18yr olds that will be attending a major football program this next year. THis is one program out of many with guys this size.I just dont know why people think 245 is big when there are 18yr olds walking around at 6'9 335. Also this was just a random University I picked to show that there are many large young people runnin around that all dont do streoids.

6-4 238 FR
6-4 282 FR
6-5 285 FR
6-3 270 FR
6-6 203 FR
6-9 335 FR
6-8 335 FR
6-4 328 FR
6-1 245 FR
6-4 315 FR
6-2 275 FR
6-2 228 FR
6-3 230 FR

[JohnJenson]

nope your wrong,,, it is not normal to wiegh 245 at 18 hell its not normal to weigh 245 at all but with help it can be achieved and this kid has had help

[timtim]

why is it not normal to weigh 245? how is that an unnatural/not normal phenomenon?

stick to the doo doo jokes, it was almost funny.

[JohnJenson]

why is it not normal to weigh 245? how is that an unnatural/not normal phenomenon?

stick to the doo doo jokes, it was almost funny.

cool dude! you buddy!! its alll you! but anyways..... i did not say that it is a phenomenon. i just said it is not normal.... for an 18 yr old to wiegh that much naturally and i also was implying that a person that wieghs 245 and is not a fat ass is probably juicing......and the doo doo was to maybe get this off topic more so i dont have to see this thread anymore

[nomore1324]

ya know whhat stop arguing im serious, this board is not for personal back and forths about your damn history and being natural, you wanna talk about your squat and how great you are jock start ytour own damn thread, this thread is about the big boy, not oyu and not anyone else. whhere is swole when i need him, hooker too.

[timtim]

cool dude! you buddy!! its alll you! but anyways

what's all me? your the one who wants to act like it's kindergarten in here. shit, the high school guys at least have opinions and views, you have shit jokes. like i said, almost funny.

[captain chet]

he must b on roids bcoz when u compete n such a agame or n bb u must use them i know one who is just 21 years & he compet on international level n body building n heavy weight with amazing physiq not bcoz he is young he cant do roids its abad idea

What the **** does that mean? People need to learn how to type like human beings.

[hatchblack]

stretch marks through the chest have always been kind of iffy to me. He is a big kid and much bigger than his siblings. Nobody has mentionned growth but I know that stuff if popular with some high school athletes that don't have the height to make it to the next level and want to grow. His head is pretty big and he looks like he may have run both to tell you the truth. who knows though?