Deca/Winni Cycle

[Theatrix]

First time poster....47 y/o male / 215lbs / 4 day workout / 3 day cardio (marshall arts)
I'm on my second cycle.....1st cycle was oral winni
Into my second week of 2nd cycle
2cc of deca a week and 3cc of winni a week
Have added approx 12 lbs since beginning my 2nd cycle
1-10 week Deca
1-10 week Winni
Then intend to take clomid

What I'm reading is that most are waiting on winni until towards the end of cycle. What are the benefits and is my approach self defeating

Thanks guys

[spooledup]

10 weeks is too long to take winny, especially at your age (lipid problems), and you're supposd to take it every day @50mg.

The reson most take it towards the end of a cycle is to help combat aromitazation of a steriod they use with it. Winny has anti-e properties and will help with the bloat/water retention.

Make sure and take milk thistle for you liver and some fish oil/flax oil to stabilize lipid profiles.

[8-MAN]

Holy shit you have a lot of research to do. How are your test levels now. If you are still producing then the deca will shut you down hard...and say good by to Mr. Winky. If you like to have sex and want some lean, keepable gains, THROW IN SOME TEST. The winny shouldn't be run near that long. You are looking at some serious joint and liver issues if you do. Run it for 6 weeks max at end.

Also, your dosages look off. We can't help you on that though until you tell us how many mgs per cc. Winny should be shot everday, not every week.

Clomid or HCG therapy is a must if your nuts still work. If not, then anti estrogens are a must. Best to use both.

hold off on this cycle until you get all this crap worked out. You will see better results if you plan it mork thoroughly. Good luck.

[8-MAN]

oops, you already started your cycle. oh well. might still like some test. at your age it will really make you (and your lady) feel good.

[Booz]

winny for 10 weeks is a def no-no mate,far too harsh for your liver,last 4-6 weeks of a course is when it should be taken,and as for deca n winny only without test?you wil be shut down hard mate,if i was you i would stop the cycle pronto and get some test,you should run the cycle like this.

500mg test e 12 weeks
400mg deca 11 weeks
50mg winny ed 10-14 weeks
pct should start the day after last winny,have you got pct?
have you got any anti's for your cycle?have you got b6 for the deca?

[Theatrix]

So as I understand this, replace winni with test for the next six weeks
then add winni for remaining 4 weeks @ 1cc a day
I'm already taking milk thistle @ 600 mg per day
at week 10 begin clomid (3 weeks?)

[Booz]

no mate read wat i have written,that is how you should run the cycle.

[8-MAN]

So as I understand this, replace winni with test for the next six weeks
then add winni for remaining 4 weeks @ 1cc a day
I'm already taking milk thistle @ 600 mg per day
at week 10 begin clomid (3 weeks?)

how many mgs per cc man?

I would just save what you have and start all over.

[Theatrix]

Ok, hold the press, boys! I will stop and re-group here. I will assume the guy who turned me on to this and has been on the juice for years doesn't know what he is talking about. I'm ok with that. I assume there are quite a few out there like that. But that's why I here.

The brand is quality-vet and 8-Man the winni is 50mgs and the deca is 300 mgs

[Theatrix]

And by the way, my girl is in Europe and I thought something was up when she sent me nudes of herself and I was'nt getting turned on!

So what now, will the test straighten that out?

[Juddman]

Your natural test is likely shut down...low sex drive would almost certainly be helped out with adding testosterone

[fanatic]

Yeah, run some test and a pic of her in a sweater will turn you on. lol