DBol as a first stack

[Yo_Rippity_Smalls]

I am 24 years old, 5'8" 170lbs and appx. 10% BF. I have strong work out habits and a very strict diet. I am considering DBol as a first stack (4 weeks). What is recommended to stack with it to hold the gains? My short term goal is to be 185lbs and 7-8% BF.

[fballhoss51]

u shouldnt be using juice at 170 pounds, u can get to 190-200 naturally

[Spyder]

dbol 30mg/day for 4 weeks stacked with Test e for 10-12weeks at 500mg/week

[j-dog]

if you must do it go with d-bol30-40 a day for 4 wks test is a must with anything so do test 500 a week for 10 -12 weeks.

[Dave321]

u shouldnt be using juice at 170 pounds, u can get to 190-200 naturally

he's 5'8... 200 is a hard goal natty... I have a friend at 5'8 who is 172lbs and looks quite large for his size... you have to keep in mind height.

[fballhoss51]

i kno a lot of people who have an easy time getting to 190 that are under 5'10, and a lot of guys that wonder why they dont, but its usually diet, u might htink u have a good diet until u actually break it down and realize its no where near what u need to grow

[Booz]

leave the dbol mate if this is your 1st cycle i would run 500mg of test weekly 10-12 weeks,have anti's to hand and your pct ready before you start anything.

[Yo_Rippity_Smalls]

Thanks Justin, when I first started lifting a few years ago I noticed pretty quick gains. But lately I have seem to level off and it has been very difficult to get beyond where I am at. I eat roughly 2800 + calories per day. At this point I would like to see how 1 stack would effect me.

With the 500mg/week stack of test is it a 70mg dose per day? When does the 10-12 week stack begin? While I am on the DBol or immediately after?

[Dave321]

i kno a lot of people who have an easy time getting to 190 that are under 5'10, and a lot of guys that wonder why they dont, but its usually diet, u might htink u have a good diet until u actually break it down and realize its no where near what u need to grow

agreed on the diet.

[Yo_Rippity_Smalls]

My diet consists of 30% protein (225g) 40% carbs (300g) and 30% fats (100g). I almost always eat 2800 calories worth. Most of the time I am closer to 3000.

[Yo_Rippity_Smalls]

What do your diets consist of (compared to height/weight)?

[lfrisbee]

if you're working out that hard... you won't be seeing gains because you're caloric intake is too low. You should be taking in 4500 calories a day if you want to gain 15 lbs. I'm surprised you're not losing weight only taking in 2800.

[longhorn814]

i would up your calories first and see what kind of gains you get before hitting gear. Try this

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

[Yo_Rippity_Smalls]

4500 seems like quite a bit for my frame. But maybe that is where I am going wrong. I am just worried that if I eat much more than I am now, the extra calories will be converted to fat. I know fat gain is inevitable, but 4500 seems like a lot.

Would you recommend raising my caloric intake in combonation with a 10-12 week stack of Test-e? Are there any good posts on Test-e? I cannot seem to find any.

[Yo_Rippity_Smalls]

according to the formula on the website, my daily calorie needs (at the extra active rate) are 2154.8. Which means at a 3000 calorie diet, I am taking in an extra 845.2 calories per day. I should be gaining 1.7lbs per week by that formula.
At 4500 calories, I would be gaining 4.7lbs per week. I am not sure if that would be too safe (atleast for someone of my size).

[G-Force]

leave the dbol mate if this is your 1st cycle i would run 500mg of test weekly 10-12 weeks,have anti's to hand and your pct ready before you start anything.

why do u advise to leave the dbol ?

my first cycle was
weeks 1 - 4: dbol 30mg ED
weeks 1 - 12: Test. E 500mg a week

i gained 34lbs in 12 weeks

22lbs in the first 4weeks with the dbol

SMALLS - Dbol/ test E is a good first cycle IMO

just remember you have to eat like a horse to make the desired gains
i was eating around 5,000 calories

[Yo_Rippity_Smalls]

Thanks, if and when I start a stack I will be sure to up the calories a bit.