Planning next cycle (bulking)Help!!!

**joeybenz** · 09-14-2005, 05:08 PM

Whats up guys I'm going to start my next cycle which I want to be a bulking cycle and I just want you guys to help me out.

This will be my fourth cycle

1st cycle was-Deca 400mg wk, Test Cyp 400mg without proper pct(I know stupid!) gained about 30lbs keeped about 20 ran it for 12 weeks

2nd cycle was-EQ 400mg wk, Test E 500mg wk, with nolvadex and proper pct thanks to learning from this site. I think the stuff was fake really didn't see much gain maybe like 5-10lbs ran that for 15wks

3rd cycle was-Deca 400mg wk, Prop 75mg ed(jumped started cycle with it and ended cycle with it too, took a break between), Test E 500mg wk with nolvedex, b6 and clomid for pct. Gained about 15 lbs keeped most of the weight. Ran this cycle for 16weeks

I also followed the rule time on equals time off

I want to start my cycle in Oct sometime and I just want to get some ideas on what I should try next I was thinking about some tren and winstrol . Maybe you guys can give me some insight on a good cycle that worked for you's

My stats are I'm 5'9 180lbs want to try to get to 200 Don't know my bf

Thank you
JB

**joeybenz** · 09-14-2005, 05:29 PM

Just Did some research on a cycle oh about this:

Test Prop
Tren A
EQ
Winny

How should I break this down in weeks

**wink182** · 09-14-2005, 05:34 PM

I will bump for you bro, I will just add to EAT like you life depends on it. Eat until you can barely keep it down! the whole cycle, and make sure you get your 200 grams of protein. good luck!

**wolfyEVH** · 09-14-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by joeybenz

Whats up guys I'm going to start my next cycle which I want to be a bulking cycle and I just want you guys to help me out.

This will be my fourth cycle

1st cycle was-Deca 400mg wk, Test Cyp 400mg without proper pct(I know stupid!) gained about 30lbs keeped about 20 ran it for 12 weeks

2nd cycle was-EQ 400mg wk, Test E 500mg wk, with nolvadex and proper pct thanks to learning from this site. I think the stuff was fake really didn't see much gain maybe like 5-10lbs ran that for 15wks

3rd cycle was-Deca 400mg wk, Prop 75mg ed(jumped started cycle with it and ended cycle with it too, took a break between), Test E 500mg wk with nolvedex, b6 and clomid for pct. Gained about 15 lbs keeped most of the weight. Ran this cycle for 16weeks

I also followed the rule time on equals time off

I want to start my cycle in Oct sometime and I just want to get some ideas on what I should try next I was thinking about some tren and winstrol . Maybe you guys can give me some insight on a good cycle that worked for you's

My stats are I'm 5'9 180lbs want to try to get to 200 Don't know my bf

Thank you
JB

after 3 cycles you're only 180lbs??? how much did you weigh before your first cycle?

**joeybenz** · 09-14-2005, 05:40 PM

about 140 it was horrible

**joeybenz** · 09-14-2005, 06:22 PM

anyone

**TheMudMan** · 09-14-2005, 06:28 PM

If you're looking to builk then why the prop and winny?

D-bol, Enan, and tren E

**joeybenz** · 09-14-2005, 08:23 PM

What types of results will I see from Tren A/Test Prop/EQ

**TheMudMan** · 09-14-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by joeybenz

What types of results will I see from Tren A/Test Prop/EQ

A lot will depend on diet but you would see leaner gains........ If you added Enan or Cyp you would see more gains.

**joeybenz** · 09-14-2005, 08:54 PM

Is this better Tren A/Cyp/EQ

**TCEL300** · 09-14-2005, 09:30 PM

tren A for most is run with prop..it helps for a lean bulk...ifyou want straight Mass...decca dbol test E...you will blow the fuk up...it all depends on ur diet

**joeybenz** · 09-14-2005, 10:36 PM

How's this look

EQ 600mg wk (monday and thurday)
Test E 700mg wk (monday and thursday)

How long should I run this cycle and should I end the cycle off with prop did that with my last cycle and I didn't mind it this time I will use 100mg for the last 4 weeks

How should I set this up also do you guys think that these doses are too high??? The reason why I put them so high is because for the past 3 cycles I've kept the same amount and I don't know if I will see effects if i don't up the dose

**joeybenz** · 09-15-2005, 07:58 AM

bump

**jrock38** · 09-15-2005, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by joeybenz

How's this look

EQ 600mg wk (monday and thurday)
Test E 700mg wk (monday and thursday)

How long should I run this cycle and should I end the cycle off with prop did that with my last cycle and I didn't mind it this time I will use 100mg for the last 4 weeks

How should I set this up also do you guys think that these doses are too high??? The reason why I put them so high is because for the past 3 cycles I've kept the same amount and I don't know if I will see effects if i don't up the dose

I just ran
1-12 EQ 500mg week
1-13 Test E 750mg week
3-8 Tren 75mg ED
also ran IGF-1 LR3 5-8
I was up 20lbs on this but once I stopped the Tren due to some Kidney pain I lost 5lbs..
Over all I like this cycle but plan on running
1-6 Tren 50mg ED
1-6 Test Prop 50mg ED
1-6 Test suspension 50mg ED
for next cycle

**joeybenz** · 09-15-2005, 02:32 PM

Does it matter if you do the same doses each time you do a cycle? Thats why I upped the dosage

**Booz** · 09-15-2005, 02:45 PM

bulk
750mg test e weeks 1-14
600mg eq weeks 1-13
3-400mg tren e weeks 1-12(if you can handle the shat!)

**joeybenz** · 09-15-2005, 02:52 PM

yeah I think I'm going to drop the tren alot of people seem to not being able to handle it

**joeybenz** · 09-15-2005, 02:53 PM

now if I were to throw dbol in there how many weeks should I run it and at what mg I'm new to the pill think this will be the first for me

**jrock38** · 09-15-2005, 03:01 PM

Dbol 1-4 at 50mg split 4 times daily worked good for me...
All my cycle will be with tren from here on out...that stuff is potent but awesome results...

**Drummerboy** · 09-15-2005, 03:02 PM

you dont need anything with tren /prop/ 100mg prop/75mg tren ED will produce hard gains. 10 pds lean in 10 weeks easily. You will probably need good pct including HCG , nolva and ldex. Your balls will likely shrink hardcore. This is the case with most tren users. If you want to hit 200, I would say you should stick with the bread and butter stack. Test Cyp (or enth), deca , and jumpstart with dbol . Take 300mg test, 200mg deca E3D for 12 full weeks. First 4 weeks, 30-40 dbol ED. I would take 40 if you can handle the pumps and cramps. I eat bananas and drink water and have no problems. I dont take any anti-e's while on this stack, as the estro causes no problems for me and estro helps you GROW. Eat like a mother. 300 good protien a day minimum. Tons of carbs, and some fat. (2:2:1) 4000-5000 calories a day. Train at least 5 days a week. You will gain. EQ is not the best bulker and is a testosterone derivative. Deca is nandrolone . A test and nandro work together well. For bigger bang, replace the Dbol with Anadrol , 50mg ED. Keep Nolva on hand in case nips get sore/itchy, and take only until symptoms gone. Im guessing that your diet and training could be fine tunes, cause you have already used to drugs... good luck!!

**joeybenz** · 09-15-2005, 03:27 PM

the only anadrol i can get would be 75mg
so your saying do:

Wk 1-4 Anadrol
Wk 1-12 Deca 200mg every 3 days
Wk 1-12 Test E 300mg every 3 days
No anti E unless I feel itchy or sore nipples nolva for that
Do I still do clomid therapy? with the clomid therapy shouldn't I use the test e 1 week longer than deca because it says to start pct 28days after last shot and test e is 14 days after last shot i like the idea of shoting every 3 days never tried that alway on monday and thursday

**Drummerboy** · 09-17-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by joeybenz

the only anadrol i can get would be 75mg
so your saying do:

Wk 1-4 Anadrol
Wk 1-12 Deca 200mg every 3 days
Wk 1-12 Test E 300mg every 3 days
No anti E unless I feel itchy or sore nipples nolva for that
Do I still do clomid therapy? with the clomid therapy shouldn't I use the test e 1 week longer than deca because it says to start pct 28days after last shot and test e is 14 days after last shot i like the idea of shoting every 3 days never tried that alway on monday and thursday

Yes, this is what im saying. Dont forget, you can take Dbol instead of anadrol... it is more tame and works well, anadrol is very harsh... try the dbol first... yes run the Test 1 week longer so the esters run out at the same time... forgot about that oops... The clomid thing... i only use HCG (2 weeks after last deca shot or one week after last test shot same thing, for 2 weeks 1000iu EOD) and nolva 20mg ED with the HCG, and continue nolva for about a month after at 20mg ED. I am out of the clomid school of thought now... i also add clen to PCT with Keto, but this is just a preference... You can add the clomid to the nolva once you have finished the HCG cycle, which will stop at the same time your longest ester has run out of your body (the deca ester is the 4 week one, but you already know that). good luck, its a great bulking cycle.