FINAL: Test E. & EQ - Critique Please...

**vein-x** · 09-15-2005, 07:47 PM

Well, it's taken quite a while, but I've finally figured out my cycle. After much advice from the boards, hours more research and msgs from bros all over, I've decided to go with this:

*WHAT*
Test E : 6500mg
EQ : 4800mg
Nolva : 1000mg
HCG : 5000iu

*CYCLE*
*TEST E* : Front load @ 1000mg for the first week taken 500mg Monday and Thurday.

For the remaining 11 weeks @ 500mg taken 250mg Monday and Thursday.

*EQ* : Taken @ 400mg/week for all 12 weeks.

*HCG*
HCG administrations will start 5 weeks before the end of the cycle. I will inject 500iu HCG 2 times a week for a total of 1000iu per week.

*PCT*
One week after the last Test E & HCG shots, I will run Nolva:
40mg/day for the first 2 weeks
20mg/day for the second 2 weeks

*NOTES*

*I have extra Nolva in case anything happens during the cycle.

*EQ has little to NO side-effects, so I'm REALLY not worried about EQ. It's there for vascularity, hardness and definition.

*Test E @ 500mg/week shouldn't have too many problems. If gyno flares up, I'll take 20mg/day until it is staved off.

*QUESTIONS*

*Is the extra 160mg of Nolva enough to cover any gyno issues?

*Can EQ and Test E be mixed in the same syringe?

I'm all set otherwise! Give me any feedback you can...
THANKS FOR ANY HELP!

**chest6** · 09-15-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by vein-x

Well, it's taken quite a while, but I've finally figured out my cycle. After much advice from the boards, hours more research and msgs from bros all over, I've decided to go with this:

*WHAT*
Test E : 6500mg
EQ : 4800mg
Nolva : 1000mg
HCG : 5000iu

*CYCLE*
*TEST E* : Front load @ 1000mg for the first week taken 500mg Monday and Thurday.

For the remaining 11 weeks @ 500mg taken 250mg Monday and Thursday.

*EQ* : Taken @ 400mg/week for all 12 weeks.

*HCG*
HCG administrations will start 5 weeks before the end of the cycle. I will inject 500iu HCG 2 times a week for a total of 1000iu per week.

*PCT*
One week after the last Test E & HCG shots, I will run Nolva:
40mg/day for the first 2 weeks
20mg/day for the second 2 weeks

*NOTES*

*I have extra Nolva in case anything happens during the cycle.

*EQ has little to NO side-effects, so I'm REALLY not worried about EQ. It's there for vascularity, hardness and definition.

*Test E @ 500mg/week shouldn't have too many problems. If gyno flares up, I'll take 20mg/day until it is staved off.

*QUESTIONS*

*Is the extra 160mg of Nolva enough to cover any gyno issues?

*Can EQ and Test E be mixed in the same syringe?

I'm all set otherwise! Give me any feedback you can...
THANKS FOR ANY HELP!

Looks good..start pct 2 weeks after last test shot. Yes can be mixed in the same syringe. I would add clomid in pct..but others opinions differ. When is your other hcg administration? I wouldn't say EQ has NO side effects. Different compounds effect different people differently.

Oh and what is your cycle experience?

**vein-x** · 09-15-2005, 07:57 PM

Thanks!
First off, fvck Clomid. I'm don't want worse side-effects in the PCT than on the cycle! I'm only running one aromatizable substance, so I think HCG and Nolva will at least cover, if not, overkill excess estrogen production.
Second, HCG @ 1000iu/week - taken Mondays and Thurdays of the last 5 weeks on cycle @ 500iu per injection. Then exclusively Nolva will finish out any problems in PCT.

Keep the input comin guys!!

**vein-x** · 09-15-2005, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

Oh and what is your cycle experience?

Just noticed this...
I'm going to call this my first REAL cycle. When I was 22, I ran Test E @ 300mg/week with Clomid and Nolva for PCT. Really, no gains at all. I was probably more pissed because I thought I'd benefit, and got nothing but headaches and blurred vision for that Clomid... Now, 3 year, much experience, years of lifting and BOOKS of reading later, I'm going to run an EQ | Test E cycle with sufficient PCT, 90% perfect nutrition (a little Taco Bell every once in a while...) and perfect supplementation.

**vein-x** · 09-15-2005, 08:06 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822
Says to wait 3 weeks after last EQ injection before beginning PCT, but only 2 weeks after Test E. What should I do about that? Start at 2 weeks? 3? 2 and a half?
Sorry for the 20 Questions run around, but I'm sick of waiting on this nitty-gritty detail stuff...

**thejuiceisloose** · 09-16-2005, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by vein-x

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822
Says to wait 3 weeks after last EQ injection before beginning PCT, but only 2 weeks after Test E. What should I do about that? Start at 2 weeks? 3? 2 and a half?
Sorry for the 20 Questions run around, but I'm sick of waiting on this nitty-gritty detail stuff...

Start PCT 21 days after last Test E shot

**Mealticket** · 09-16-2005, 02:00 AM

agreed

Originally Posted by thejuiceisloose

Start PCT 21 days after last Test E shot

**eGGz** · 09-16-2005, 02:14 AM

I would frontload the EQ too. It's a longer ester than the test. 800mg EQ the first week, 600mg EQ the second week and 400mg EQ the remaining weeks.

Also I would run the test 1 week longer that the EQ.

PCT can start 2 weeks after your last test shot or 3 weeks after your last EQ shot if you are stopping each compound at the same time.

**vein-x** · 09-16-2005, 01:06 PM

Well, thanks for all the tips and help. I'm all done setting up now, and I will use the frontload EQ idea, can't hurt... All that's left are these:

*Is the extra 160mg of Nolva enough to cover any gyno issues?

*Can EQ and Test E be mixed in the same syringe?

*Could I throw Clen in for post-cycle fat burning and retaining gains cycled:
40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/40/40
(Clen cycle is #of mcg per day in a 3-week PCT fat-burning, muscle retaining regime)

**eGGz** · 09-16-2005, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by vein-x

Well, thanks for all the tips and help. I'm all done setting up now, and I will use the frontload EQ idea, can't hurt... All that's left are these:

*Is the extra 160mg of Nolva enough to cover any gyno issues?
No. If you start to get gyno during your cycle you are going to want to hit the nolva @ 60 to 80mg at first and then taper down to 20mg for the remainder of your cycle.

*Can EQ and Test E be mixed in the same syringe?
Yes

*Could I throw Clen in for post-cycle fat burning and retaining gains cycled:
40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/40/40
(Clen cycle is #of mcg per day in a 3-week PCT fat-burning, muscle retaining regime)

I'll give this a bump for your clen question. I've heard different opinions regarding this subject. And I've never taken clen as part of my PCT.

**vein-x** · 09-17-2005, 12:33 AM

Well, I was just reading that it's a very good gain keeper. So I figure, if something in my PCT isn't 110% perfect, Clen will more than compensate for it, and hold onto more mass than a cycle without clen as part of the PCT

What do you think guys? It's my last question...
(and BTW: Please keep critiquing the cycle, seems good to me, but you never know)

**Two4the$$** · 09-17-2005, 12:04 PM

clen is definitely NOT as anticatabolic as having no test in your body catabolic ... (which is where we drop to after a cycle.)

Perhaps HGH can help, or something else... but not clen. It just doesn't do that much.

**vein-x** · 09-17-2005, 12:20 PM

I'm well aware of blood levels post-cycle. I was just thinking that HCG will help normalize levels, Nolvadex will stave off some symptoms and Clen would help keep a few more lbs. I'm hoping HCG will get my test levels to where I'm not eating sick amounts of muscle a day and then use clen to solidify most of the gains.