Hcg A Must?

[wrx]

HELLO!
I just started my 1st cycle:
week 1-10: 500 mg testosterone enh. every week (2 X250 MG)
week 1-10:20 MG NOLVADEX every day

for PCT will nolva be enough ? or do i need hcg ??

[BUYLONGTERM]

for a 10 week cycle, I don't think you need it.

[305GUY]

for a 10 week cycle, I don't think you need it.

Agreed.

[testosterona]

should be ok man. if you use nolva for PCT:
nolva wk 12-13 40mgs ed
nolva wk 14-15 30mgs ed

[Maetenloch]

It's not absolutely required, but it will definitely help speed up your recovery. William Llewellyn calls it the pivotal post-cycle drug - see his article here: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par31.htm

[JohnnyB]

It's not absolutely required, but it will definitely help speed up your recovery. William Llewellyn calls it the pivotal post-cycle drug - see his article here: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par31.htm

That is the old way of using it, those doses will raise estrogen, which isn't good. Usint it at low doses during the cycle is better

JohnnyB

[305GUY]

I hope this doesnt turn into another "when to use HCG " debate.

[RUballs0514]

don't need it.

[JohnnyB]

I hope this doesnt turn into another "when to use HCG" debate.

It shouldn't, but it probably will beside what's wrong with some healty debate? The best part is those that don't want to read another debate, don't have to open this thread

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

don't need it.

I agree

JohnnyB

[wrx]

Ok So All Of You Agree That I Dont Need It?
What About Clomid? When I Use Nolva I Wont Need It?
Any Other Tips For A Good Pct?

[RUballs0514]

clomid and nolva for pct. also have nolva on hand during cycle just in case you start to show signs of gyno. good luck bro.

[JohnnyB]

Ok So All Of You Agree That I Dont Need It?
What About Clomid? When I Use Nolva I Wont Need It?
Any Other Tips For A Good Pct?

You can use nolva for PCT, it doesn't have to be clomid. I'd keep some nolva around for PCt, because clomid doesn't block estrogen like nolva. So it can make as emotional as a 13 year old girl on her period. I remember being no clomid and my son doing a report on Martin Luther King, I read the "I have a dream" speech, I got emotional and started crying, I was very emotional while on clomid, I don't use it anymore.

JohnnyB

[RUballs0514]

i've never been that emotional but thats cool. you're throwin some good advice around(as usual) johnny b. props to you.

[wrx]

you didnt understand me, im using nolva during the cycle also!
20 MG a day.(i have a little bit of bloat on my Nipple dont wont to get worst) is that ok?
about the pct:
i asked if i need something alse besides nolva?

[Maetenloch]

That is the old way of using it, those doses will raise estrogen, which isn't good. Usint it at low doses during the cycle is better

JohnnyB

I agree - 5000-7500IU/week of HCG is a lot and likely to lead to either gyno or desensitization. I think running HCG at a low level throughout your cycle is probably best way of using it. On my most most cycle I used 300IU every other day for last half of the cycle. This was based on SWALE's recommendation for HRT patients as well as a study I saw recently that shows this dose maintains intratesticular test levels. When I added the HCG I found that I felt slightly better in general , and it noticeably increased my libido.

[zircon]

on a 10 week prop cycle I'd probably run HCG 500iu eod from week 7-9 (3 weeks) for a total of 5000iu over the 3 weeks. No ttoo high...shouldn't cause any problems right?

[RUballs0514]

you didnt understand me, im using nolva during the cycle also!
20 MG a day.(i have a little bit of bloat on my Nipple dont wont to get worst) is that ok?
about the pct:
i asked if i need something alse besides nolva?

clomid. but thats argueable by many. you don't need hcg though