clomid

[flexshack]

hey guys
just wondering if you can fool your body with clomid anytime, not just post cycle? i mean can you take clomid and fool your body into making more test? if this works, couldn't you sort of have a natural roid all the time? thanks
flex

[SHOT]

clomid will only work well when the bodys natural test levels are low...you might be able to fool your body alittle...but it wouldnt be worth it

[Iwan2bsolid2]

what do you consider low? Just curious.



_SOLID

[SHOT]

umm.... number wise? i have no clue bro... ill try to look this up....however if you are low then avg and take clomid it will bring you up to avg maybe slightly higher then some ppl but you will not "steroids liek gains " from it

[Iwan2bsolid2]

the scale is> 241-827 NC/DL.

Mine was 293 NC/DL

Having never done any AS.....This seems very low to me...that is why I've decided to take Test . I would rather be in the upper 6-700's.

Plus I have no sex drive, and can't wait to be a horny school boy again .


PEACE>_SOLID

[SHOT]

hehe you are going to be humpin everything bro

Originally posted by Iwan2bsolid2
the scale is> 241-827 NC/DL.

Mine was 293 NC/DL

Having never done any AS.....This seems very low to me...that is why I've decided to take Test . I would rather be in the upper 6-700's.

Plus I have no sex drive, and can't wait to be a horny school boy again .


PEACE>_SOLID

[Mike]

I dont know where you got that range - but if you are wondering what is low it matters what you are considering - American medical practice would dictate that to be considered low (and definitition of low being in need of testosterone supps) you would be below 500 - the normal range is around 500-800/1000mg/dl (Its NG not NC, for nanogram) - that is what western medicine would dictate - though if you are going purely biology normals ranges for males would be considered:

Ages 20-30
280-1205ng/dl

Ages 30-40
350-1010ng/dl

Ages 40-50
255-1025ng/dl

Ages 50-60
255-950ng/dl

Ages 60-70
120-870ng/dl

Ages 70-80
38-850ng/dl

Ages 80-90
28-390ng/dl

[Iwan2bsolid2]

I read it off my results page when I got my Test levels checked a couple months ago. My endocrinologist told me that was normal, I was like what? Then I got my Estradiol levels checked but we wont go into that. This is a very respected Doc who works at Scripps hospital in San Diego, and I came to find out he's a fucking idiot. _SOLID

[Mike]

It's not too far off for your age bro (the scale) but your test levels are low and I would go to a gen physician - if the endicrinologist didn't didn't prescribe test for you I dont know what the hell he's thinking - but a physician will - look around because one definitely will - by the way - while with your endo. get your thyroid levels checked - you'll want those numbers

[Nathan]

Hey Mike, could I ask where you got those figures?

[Iwan2bsolid2]

My Thyroid [3.77] IU/L the reference scale was[0.35-5.50]. Is this bad or good?
My Estradiol level [29] PG/ML the reference scale for Men[ND-54]. Is this high?



Thanks_SOLID

[Mike]

A study conducted by the VRI - (vitality research institute)

Testosterone Report: Enhances Sexual Drive, Heightens Sexual Performance, Increases Energy Levels, Enhances Mood, Promotes Bone and Muscle Growth

Clinical references:


[1] Regelson, M.D., William and Colman, Carol, The Super-Hormone Promise (New York: 1996, Simon & Schuster), pages 115-152. ISBN: 0-684-83011-6

[2] Klatz, D.O., Ronald with Kahn, Carol, Grow Young with HGH (New York: 1997, HarperCollins Publishers, Inc.), pages 181-186. ISBN 0-06-018682-8

[3] Cranton, M.D., Elmer and Fryer, William, Resetting the Clock (New York: 1996, M. Evans and Company, Inc.), pages 166-181. ISBN 0-87131-823-7

[4] Baker, H.W.G., "Testicular dysfunction in systematic disease," in: Becker, K.L, ed., Principles and Practice of Endocrinology and Metabolism, 2nd edition (Philadelphia: 1995, J.B. Lippincott Co.), pages 1083-1089.

[5] Hendler, M.D., Ph.D., Sheldon Saul, The Doctor's Vitamin and Mineral Encyclopedia (New York: 1990, Fireside), pages 201, 385-387. ISBN 0-671-66784-X

[6] Journal of Applied Physiology article on a Penn State study, cited in the Penn State Sports Medicine Newsletter (March 1997), and cited in http://www.psu.edu/ur/NEWS/news/imbalance.html

[7] Colgan, Ph.D., Michael, Optimum Sports Nutrition: Your Competitive Edge (Ronkonkoma NY: 1993, Advanced Research Press), pages 389-390. ISBN 0-964840-5-9

[8] Mindell, R.Ph., Ph.D., Earl, Earl Mindell's Anti-Aging Bible (New York: 1996, Fireside), pages 258, 269-270. ISBN 0-684-81106-5

[9] Klatz, D.O., Ronald and Goldman, D.O., Robert Stopping the Clock (New Canaan, Connecticut: Keats Publishing, Inc., 1996), pages 95-111. ISBN: 0-87983-717-9

[10] Winter, M.S., Ruth, The Anti-Aging Hormones (New York: 1997, Three Rivers Press, Crown Publishers, Inc.), pages 136-158. ISBN 0-609-80015-9

[11] Bhasin, S., Storer, T.W, et al., "The effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men" in The New England Journal of Medicine, July, 4, 1996; vol. 335, no. 1, as cited in the journal's website and a same-issue editorial online at http://www.nejm.org/public/1996/0335/0001/0001/1.htm and http://www.nejm.org/public/1996/0335/0001/0052/1.htm

[12] Grinspoon, S., Corcoran, C. et al. "Loss of lean body and muscle mass correlates with androgen levels in hypogonadal men with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome and wasting," Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism. 1996; vol. 81, no. 11: pages 4051-4058.

[13] Cherniske, M.S., Stephen, The DHEA Breakthrough (New York: 1996, Ballantine Books, a division of Random House), page 36. ISBN 0-345-41140-4

[14] Evans, Ph.D., William and Rosenberg, M.D., Irwin H., Biomarkers: The 10 Keys to Prolonging Vitality (New York: Fireside, 1992), page 4. ISBN: 0-671-77898-6

[15] Lamm, M.D., Steven and Couzens, Gerald Secor, Younger at Last: The New World of Vitality Medicine (New York: 1997, Simon & Schuster), pages 70-74. ISBN 0-684-83438-3


Why Nate? I swear you just look for reasons to disagree with me...

[Mike]

Oh yeah - sorry, here ya go solid:

Normal TSH levels are between .3 and 5 - you're doing perfectly - high is considered between 5 and 10iu/dl

Your estradiol levels are just barely over the normal range - what did he have to say about that? (<23) PM me if you want to talk privately about this

Oh and Nate and whoever else:

ALL these hormone levels vary to such degrees that there is an impossibility to define what is actually the 'norm' - there are many different ideas and all relatively close - check out this website though - very informative


Steroid Levels in Humans

[Iwan2bsolid2]

damn bro your amazing with all the info you come up within a matter of seconds.....I'm Bowing before you

_SOLID oh and I'm gonna PM ya