New cycle here, opinions would be appreciated...

**mrjingles** · 11-21-2005, 10:39 PM

Ok, so this is my first time doing steroids , but I have been working out for quite a while now, and have been eating right and doing a lot of supplements such as l-glutamine, whey, creatine (just got off the creatine)......etc...anyways I've configured this cycle here:

(Novaldex will be taken first 5 weeks)

Week 1: 200 mg deca /week 20mg d-bol e/day
week 2: 200 mg deca/week 25 mg d-bol e/day
week 3: 400 mg deca/week 25 mg d-bol e/day
week 4: 400 mg deca/week 30 mg d-bol e/day
week 5: 600 mg deca/ week 30 mg d-bool e/day
week 6: 400 mg deca/ week
week 7: 400 mg deca/ week
week 8: 200 mg deca/ week
week 9: 200 mg deca/week

Pct:
Standard Clomid therapy
milk thistle
While on clomid therapy i was going to also do creatine
at the last week of clomid therapy i was going to do DHEA for 2 weeks 5 tab a day 50mg

- I've researched this a lot and this is what i've come up with. I would like to add a sus 250 mayb somehwere in the cycle, any opinions would be appreciated.
- I was also wondering if the milk thistle taken with the d-bol would interfere with any results.....
thx

Oh yea im a 20 year old male 5'11 180lbs.

**wolfyEVH** · 11-21-2005, 10:42 PM

1. horrible cycle
2. please give us some stats!!

(age, weight, height, years training, etc)

**Pinnacle** · 11-21-2005, 10:44 PM

Wait bro...you really need to rethink that cycle.First off don't ramp your doses.It makes for unstable plasma levels.Increasing the risk to sides.
Secondly,you need Test in there.Honestly bro,you need to start over.Please research Test only cycles.That's for you.Don't run that cycle what ever you do.

~Pinnacle~

**mrjingles** · 11-21-2005, 10:46 PM

Why's everyone so against d-bol? Should i lower doses?

**Pinnacle** · 11-21-2005, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by mrjingles

Why's everyone so against d-bol? Should i lower doses?

It's not the Dbol ..it's Deca without Testosterone is the big issue here.

~Pinnacle~

**topvega** · 11-21-2005, 10:48 PM

yeah that cycle sux on so many levels... deca only.. pyramided doses... too short for deca anyway... clear the chalkboard and start again...

**anabolicvenom** · 11-21-2005, 10:48 PM

not every one is against d-bol. you just need to add Test to your cycle because deca shuts u do hardcore.

**mrjingles** · 11-21-2005, 10:54 PM

so i should increase to 12 weeks mayb? keep all that stuff, just add some testosterone in the beginining with the d-bol? I thought Deca /dbol was a classic cycle? Dam good thing i didn't do this yet....guess I don't know as much as i thought i did on this stuff here....

**Pinnacle** · 11-21-2005, 10:55 PM

Example first cycle :

Test E 400-500 mgs weekly 10-12 weeks
Nolv at 10 mgs Ed throughout cycle
l-dex at .25 mgs Ed " " "

PCT will start 2 weeks after your last injection.

****Note**you can add Dbol to that cycle as well.

~Pinnacle~

**wolfyEVH** · 11-21-2005, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by wolfyEVH

1. horrible cycle
2. please give us some stats!!

(age, weight, height, years training, etc)

bump...stats!?!?!

**topvega** · 11-21-2005, 10:58 PM

I hope your diet and training is in line and u are not counting on the gear to do it all....

bump for stats also....

**mrjingles** · 11-21-2005, 11:03 PM

Stats are listed in first post but ill list again,

5'11, 185, 20 years old, First cycle here,

I have a good training regiment and nutrition is down,

So Test E for 10-12 weeks w/ dbol as a jump start in the begining?

Also would it be possible to add a deca to that cycle?

**Reprisal 6** · 11-21-2005, 11:04 PM

- I've researched this a lot and this is what i've come up with. I would like to add a sus 250 mayb somehwere in the cycle, any opinions would be appreciated.

Well, if you have done your research, you can give a really good reason why you want to do deca and dbol only right? I'm interested in why you think that is a good cycle for yourself.

I thought Deca/dbol was a classic cycle?

If this is your reason for wanting to do this cycle, please do some more research! It wont hurt.

cycle opinions.
at 20 you are too young. At 180 pounds you haven't tapped your genetic potential.
500 mgs of test E 12 weeks is what I would advise after at least 3 more years of solid training.

**wolfyEVH** · 11-21-2005, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by mrjingles

Stats are listed in first post but ill list again,

5'11, 185, 20 years old, First cycle here,

I have a good training regiment and nutrition is down,

So Test E for 10-12 weeks w/ dbol as a jump start in the begining?

Also would it be possible to add a deca to that cycle?

if training and nutrition was down, you'd be over 200 lbs

**Pinnacle** · 11-21-2005, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by mrjingles

So Test E for 10-12 weeks w/ dbol as a jump start in the begining?

Also would it be possible to add a deca to that cycle?

I'll spare you the "Your to young speech".I'll opt instead to help you run a safe cycle(because we can't change your mind,internet ya know?)

Test E 10-12 weeks and Dbol(4 weeks) is a good first cycle.
Deca is rather harsh for a first cycle.It's best to see how your body responds to Testosterone before adding other drugs.

Also,research anti estrogens and "Post cycle therapy ".Both are vital parts to running a cycle.Have your diet in check as well.

~Pinnacle~

**mrjingles** · 11-21-2005, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by wolfyEVH

if training and nutrition was down, you'd be over 200 lbs

yea u'd think so right? no I've been skinny for quite a while, in junior year of high school weighed 138 lbs. started trainin senior year, starting going hardcore with the training in college for 2 years now, and nutrition IS down, im sorry i know you guys know more than me about this stuff, but i know about myself and i eat very well and watch my health carefully, i dont even drink in college. 200 lbs? yea right....

**mrjingles** · 11-21-2005, 11:16 PM

Pinnacle thx a lot for all of your help. yea ill probably end up doing that, how did my pct look on my first post? Also does milk thistle interfere with d-bol working at all?

**ultimate_beef** · 11-21-2005, 11:19 PM

IMO, a test only cycle is the right thing to do. But alot of people, including myself before I even came on this forum, did a Deca /D-bol only stack. And its even published in the 2005 anabolics book as a good first cycle. Thats why I did it. And I'm still wondering why that guy published that cycle ?

**Pinnacle** · 11-21-2005, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by mrjingles

Pinnacle thx a lot for all of your help. yea ill probably end up doing that, how did my pct look on my first post? Also does milk thistle interfere with d-bol working at all?

Yep...standard Clomid/Nolvadex cycle at PCT.

Milk thistle is a great addition to your cycle with dbol added.It will help keep the liver flush.Won't interfere with the Dbol.

Research a little more before you run a cycle.

Good Luck

~Pinnacle~

**deltayall** · 11-21-2005, 11:23 PM

no the thistle is to decrease your liver hepatoxicity which is elevated due to the dbol use...they work good together to make those pains in your side go away

**Reprisal 6** · 11-21-2005, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by mrjingles

yea u'd think so right? no I've been skinny for quite a while, in junior year of high school weighed 138 lbs. started trainin senior year, starting going hardcore with the training in college for 2 years now, and nutrition IS down, im sorry i know you guys know more than me about this stuff, but i know about myself and i eat very well and watch my health carefully, i dont even drink in college. 200 lbs? yea right....

At 20 years old and 2 years training "serious" i still say you could do better than 180 pounds.
It looks like you have gained quite a bit in 2 years of serious training. Still very young also.
IMO you don't have to wait until your absolute genetic peak to do steroids . I think a lot of people don't really get as far as they could. But at 180 pounds and 20 years old my concern is if you think you are done growing already, you are going to have a hard time holding on to your gains when you come off.