Scared to accept my package-I have alot to loose.

[rhino1]

only leansauce and wolfy

[bigJJ]

your trippin hard, u sound like too big of a pussy to be on the juice anyways
i sign for my packages from canada to the US like it aint no thang

ok Gaylord.....you really are making a name for yourself on here.......

u better watch your back keep talkin like that

thats odd.....after reading every single post on this thread, I see no one "slapping a dick" across his face. He's being a dick to everyone else for no reason. We're all trying to help him but he doesn't like what we have to say.

Really? Calling him a pussy? Gaylor Focker? Watch your back?

Trying to help him. Really?

[Timm1704]

watch your back? im hoping that was a joke, as come on, physically threatening over a message board?..... very gangster of you hahaha

[leansauce]

obviously not serious and this was all in response to his unreasonable comments

[oldman]

Look Bro I would say Yes you do have some reason for concern so yes what you are thinking is not a bad idea at all. Go talk to your Post guy a few times between now and then just so you know who he is. I cannot see them setting up a huge sting operation for one package unless, as noted before, you have ordered more than self-use amounts.

Let me ask this... did you order from these people before? how much did you order? Why are they making you sign for it (most sources avoid this step for your security) , did you buy this from a website? (do not name which one if so).


As also noted before more than likely you will just get "the letter". No one here can say 100% one way or the other what is going to happen so no reason to get too stressed until that day comes.

Oldman

[system admin]

Ordering gear and having it brought to your house IS risky. You are playing with your freedom everytime you do it. People do things all the time that could potentially get them in trouble, but they often know the risks. I would do some more research on getting caught with AAS and weigh your findings on how much you want them.

No need for anyone here to get shitty with one another. I think this went a wrong direction pretty quickly, but there was no need for that.

Bc

[Billyeleven]

Just my two cents. Why would you order them over the mail? Dont you know anyone up there who does them? Anyone in your gym? I think its real risky, no matter what you are getting or where you are. I dont know how they are in other countries, but in the US I think they are going to really crack down on it. Its rediculous. instead of worring about the massive Hurrican season, or the national debt that dumbass Bush has put us in, congress worries about juice. Shows how our country has some very messed up priorities.

[need2Bbig]

first off you want help you've come to the right place, dont be a dick and everyone will be more than happy to give you an opinion.... thats all it is an opinion, take it or leave it. you ordered your gear now step up and sign for it. you think your gonna get life in jail for ordering a personal supply get a grip bro.

[zomzom]

But even if it is him...by signing for it...if it is a controlled delivery they still have my sig and can STILL GET me.

If i was you i would tell them only if u re catched that "I have money to spend i like to order things without to know what is it, i mean Banned or not, when i see something interesting, i buy"

They can' t really purchase you for this.

[Grizzly420]

WOW I fell the test in here Im going to leave this one a lone I think enough has been said.

[wolfyEVH]

Really? Calling him a pussy? Gaylor Focker? Watch your back?

Trying to help him. Really?

yeah bro....look at why we made these replies to him.......I didn't know calling someone Gaylord was hurtful and a slap in the face. you must have never seen "Meet the Parents"

[tranzit]

here is what you do... you except it.. stick it in a box and put my name and address on it and send it to me. Ill take it if you are to afraid to do it.. but seriously.. NEVER do registered mail. My next order is comming in 22 diffrent packages and im not scared at all.. .becouse 1 I dont have to sign for shit.. 2 i paid through money transfer so there is no proof i ordered that stuff i could have ordred anything and they sent me that instead. Somone comes to my house asking for a signature im going to tell them to do the hokey pokey. ill also not open my stuff for a few days. And i have even gone so far as to wrote return to sender on the stuff while im waiting to open it.
The point is they have to proove you ordered it. You have to recive the goods and they have to have proove that as well. Not to mention they will have to proove what you have is actualy drugs. like these guys said unless your ordering 10k in stuff dont worry about it. Just use common sense.

[slooby]

IM not from Serbia JERK SAUCE

HOUSTON TEXAS

hey man now your given texas a bad name with u being such a d*ck to everyone when all they r doin is tryin to help u out. your not gonne get very far here with your inmature little attitude problem..

[big_C]

Your just paranoid...no ones going to kick your door in. If it's a small order, and customs finds it, it's theirs now and you'll get a letter. And if you so paranoid, sign your name really scribbly....my sig is unreadable anyway!LOL!

[MuckDog]

right on big c

[rhino1]

obviously not serious and this was all in response to his unreasonable comments

whats with all the double standards? takes two to tango my friend.

[Tattoo70]

AND THEN WOULD BE DELIVERED TO ME BY "CONTROLLED DELIVERY" and if I signed I WOULD BE ARRESTED or something like that. HELL I DONT KNOW THAT IS WHY IM ASKING LOL

Dude chill out. I had a package seized last year. They just send you a letter telling you they got it and if you want it then you have to go to Chicago(to the customs office) to get it. Unless you're trying to supply the whole gym then you have nothing to worry about other than not getting your gear....

[Billyeleven]

Did I just see the words Jerk Sauce being used? hahahaha.

[cmax]

I recently found out that I am recieving my package by registered mail and I will have to sign for it. I am going to get a good look at my USPS guy today when he is putting the mail in the boxes at my appt complex to see what he looks like and find out his name. The package should be here in a week or two...If it is him I may accept it but if it is someone else I won't. But even if it is him...by signing for it...if it is a controlled delivery they still have my sig and can STILL GET me.

Dude... you are being paranoid.

USPS is a bit riskier than UPS or Fedex, but not by much. The USPS employees are apathetic as hell and they will hardly get up off their asses let alone take the effort to even briefly think about what might be in your package. UPS and Fedex cannot open your package under any circumstances, USPS can open your package, but only in special cases.

If a USPS guy shows up with a package for delivery and he is alone... you are all set. If there are other people with him (which is highly doubtful) then you might possibly be in trouble. But how can they prove that it was you that ordered the gear and not someone else ordering it under your name? They can't prove shit.

At the very most customs would confiscate your package and you would never hear about it again. They would not even try to prosecute you.

I ship ganja and wine all over the place. I have never been nailed once. However, you can always ship it to your address, but change the first name of the recepient. You can always use a dead relatives name for these type of deliveries - just to be safe.

I once shipped an ounce to my father's business under an assumed name and one of the executive assistants that worked for him opened it. My father said "All right very funny, who ordered the weed?" and then confiscated it and took it home.

[GetnSwole]

if you live in an apartment complex you obviously dont have much too lose

I second that.

[vein-x]

Jeeezus! This has gotten stupid!

The man comes on with a legit concern and what does he get? A dick slap across the face?

This used to be a better board than that.

Answer his questions, or shut the **** up!

Sorry, but this one has gotten under my skin.

Many have helped, and I thank you for that. As for the others... get a ****in' hobby.

Thank God I'm not the only one who feels this way. It seems like a LOT of immature (teenager?) members have signed up lately and flame and b*tch in every SINGLE post. I understand if someone posts something like "My 5th Grade Teacher Is Mean! Cycle Advise?" but not for something like this guys. Like JJ said, you have two options: Contribute..or..Read, and move on. You don't need to post and flame every thread up. Just type you helpful contribution, click Sumbit Reply and move on to the next thread.

As far as the delivery goes, ask around the mods to make sure your source is an upstanding legit supplier. If he is, and there haven't been problems with him, you're perfectly fine and 100% in the clear. This should have been done BEFORE ordering, but it's not too late to ensure your safety.

Whatever happens, good luck bro, and ignore the "high school vets."

[305GUY]

I didnt read this whole thread but my suggestion is to have your girlfriend or a friend sign for it. or just sign a fake name. you are way to paranoid to even be ordering AAS.

[vein-x]

if you live in an apartment complex you obviously dont have much too lose

I second that.

Wow, here's a GREAT example of what I JUST posted! Good contribution, and thanks for helping out the board bro! Premium-quality post, we need more of these man, nice work!! He's a Registered Nurse, helping out the sick and wounded, but sh*t, why WOULDN'T you make fun of a helpful contributer to society? It's a cheap and easy shot, so fire away!

[leansauce]

Wow, here's a GREAT example of what I JUST posted! Good contribution, and thanks for helping out the board bro! Premium-quality post, we need more of these man, nice work!! He's a Registered Nurse, helping out the sick and wounded, but sh*t, why WOULDN'T you make fun of a helpful contributer to society? It's a cheap and easy shot, so fire away!

its only truth, i mean we all have our careers and freedom to lose, so what else is there to measure the size of your loss on other than wealth? and if you dont even own a house you obviously arent very wealthy

why should he assume he has more to lose than the rest of us who mail order our products??

and you shouldnt be on the juice, especially if you arnt smart enough to measure your possible gain versus possible loss ratio until after you make the order

i cant believe your gonna stalk your mailman thats how scared you are, i dont know what you think mailmen do while there on the job, but it sure isnt crime stopping that is their major objective

[rhino1]

Im simply going to walk by the mother and see what he looks like an what his name is. YOU have posts like every 2 seconds, is your job just to bust my balls? GET A LIFE!

[rhino1]

the previous post is for leansauce.

[rhino1]

I second that.

What a dumb ass comment. How do you know what my assets are? Do you know If I have any children? Do you know what appt complex prices are in downtown houston?

You probably live in the basement of your parents house and the only stack of magazines bigger than your comic book collection is your porn collection.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

[scotttiger54]

guys everyone needs to take it easy. rhino, if you feel someone disrespected you, pay them no mind.

and everyone else that feels rhino is trippin, then let it roll, true colors shine through

[onehundredk]

k your rage is unbelievable off roids...but ill help you out. UPS shipment is not the same carrier everytime. Thats the us postal, usually its one carrier for your area/neighborhood. For such a small amount your ordering; theyll take it away, give you a ticket at the most/misdaminor. Since you bought from Serbia, i think your biggest worry is to see if they are legit products. CD and raids are for drug dealers, not drug users. dont trip

[ozwingchun]

i cant even read the whole thread,
if your a scared little b'atchh simply dont order stuff. simple as that.
want stuff but wanna deny it. pretend your in the crapper and get your lil sister or friend to sign for it when they knock.
not to sound harsh but your an rn whoopty dooo. what about those guys making millions who put it on the line just to break a record especially with the whole media thing on there butts.
sorry to the rest of you guys but these kind of posts make me mad.
ozzy

[eport]

hey rhino alittle advice here bro you come on here asking advise listen to some of these guys they know what they are talking about thats the whole reason you became a member was to seek advise and lear before you just start using your body as a pin coushin. but anyway i personally have had no prob (knock on wood)with excepting packages it is a nerv racking thing your first time but just play it cool bro

[leansauce]

What a dumb ass comment. How do you know what my assets are? Do you know If I have any children? Do you know what appt complex prices are in downtown houston?

You probably live in the basement of your parents house and the only stack of magazines bigger than your comic book collection is your porn collection.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

im from california so dont even try and play like texas is an expensive place to live at, and actually i do have my own house, and once im out of college imma make a shitload of money renting apartments to paranoid lil fukcers like u

[IBdmfkr]

If you're renting an apartment in downtown houston, You're yet another idiot that throws away thousands to the rich bastards who own the complex/lofts. Go buy a house big guy.

[rhino1]

im from california so dont even try and play like texas is an expensive place to live at, and actually i do have my own house, and once im out of college imma make a shitload of money renting apartments to paranoid lil fukcers like u

Blah, blah, blah. END OF YOU AND THIS THREAD!!!

[thetruth-76]

Hey bro- I have a few links for you to look at-
here you go- they are writeups from
Rick Collins. Those of you who know, Rick is that bigtime LAWER that deal in Steroid Law. Take a look and see if you think your worries are unfounded.



Controlled Deliveries
By Rick Collins, J.D.

If investigators want to bust you for a juice package, their goal will be to get you to take possession of the package. There are two reasons: 1) once you accept a package of contraband, you can be arrested for possessing it; and 2) the feds will have generally obtained a warrant to search your house that cannot be executed until you accept the package.
That?s where your signature comes in. Signing for the package removes any argument that you didn?t accept it. Especially when it?s supported by the undercover agent?s testimony about the conversation that took place. ?Are you Johnny Johnson?? You said, ?Yes.? ?Will you accept this package?? You said, ?Of course!? and looked really excited when you saw the return address from China.
Could accepting possession be proven in other ways? Absolutely. The issue is determined by looking at everything you did and said. In the conversation we just described, you said you were the person who intended to receive the package, and you explicitly stated that you would accept it. The absence of a signature won?t magically protect you!
What if you refuse to sign, but try to accept the package verbally? A real courier wouldn?t give it to you if a signature was required, but let?s say this undercover agent courier would. Have you avoided an arrest and search? Of course not, because you?ve accepted the package! What?s more, your cagey behavior will be used against you to prove your knowledge of the illegal contents of the package ? why else would you refuse to sign?
I?ve seen a number of cases where the target gets a funky feeling about the delivery guy and rejects the package. The undercover courier will then do everything possible to get the package into the target?s hands, with or without a signature. It?s the only way to execute the raid. In one desperate case, the courier blew his cover and flashed a badge. He summoned his partner, and the two asked to step inside to talk about the package. The target told them he had no idea what was in the package and that they most certainly could not come into his house. The agents said the package contained suspected drugs, and asked if they could open it. ?Do what you want, it?s not my package.? They opened it, and inside were 500 Anabol tablets. ?My mistake,? one agent said. ?These are okay. You can import a personal use supply. Here, you can take them.? Nice try. The target told the agent to stick the tabs where the sun don?t shine and avoided an arrest and raid by the eight other agents skulking in wait just off the property.
Given the headaches presented by savvy suspects, law enforcers are taking a new approach: wiring the package to signal when it?s opened. When someone opens a package, that?s good evidence that he?s the one who knowingly intended to possess it, right? It might even be stronger evidence than signing for it. The application for the search warrant will request authorization to execute the raid once the signal goes off. Several jurisdictions have begun using electronic sign****g devices, typically AT-4?s, to confirm that a target has opened his package. No part of the device is visible unless the package is opened. It makes no audible sound but transmits an alert signal to a remote receiver manned by the agents. These devices are perfect in cases where a signature request might spook the target. An AT-4 can make the difference between a botched operation and a valid arrest and raid. Be aware that it?s likely the wave of the future. [For a complete discussion of controlled deliveries, check out Legal Muscle].

Prison Time
By Rick Collins, J.D.
Q: What's the heaviest prison sentence you ever heard a guy get for juice?

A: That dubious distinction goes to Donnie Keith Wall, who was convicted of possessing steroids with the intent to deliver them. I found his case in an online search. A Texas jury assessed his punishment at 35 years in prison!

Wall was stopped by the police for driving without a seat belt. He falsely identified himself first by one name, then by another. Finally, he produced an expired license in his own name, and a roadside computer check revealed an extensive criminal record, including a methamphetamine possession charge. Noting that Wall had apparently rented the vehicle under a fictitious name and seeing "drug-related items" in the car, the officer asked for permission to search. Wall refused. He was detained until a search warrant could be obtained, and a variety of oral and injectable anabolics were recovered.
Wall challenged the search and contested the quantity for which the state was prosecuting him. Under Texas law, the penalties for unlawful possession of controlled substances are based on the aggregate weight of the substances in grams. Possessing with intent to deliver between 200 and 400 grams of anabolic steroids is a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for life or for any term between 5 years and 99 years.
The crucial issue was how to quantify steroids under Texas drug laws, which call for including in the aggregate weight any adulterants and dilutants. Why? In a cocaine or heroin case, it's obvious. You'd weigh all the aggregated powder because that's how the product is commonly bought and sold. If you buy an ounce of coke, it's an ounce of powder, period. The purity is a different issue. When it comes to anabolic steroids , it's a whole 'nother thing. Sure, injectables contain water or oil and tablets have binders and fillers. But people buy and sell gear based on the milligrams of androgens, not the quantity of oil or total weight of tablets.
Under the Texas case of Cawthon v. State [849 S.W.2d 346, 349 (Tex. Crim. App. 1992)], when adulterants and dilutants make up a part of the weight of a controlled substance, one thing the State must prove is that the adulterants and/or dilutants were added to the controlled substance with the intent to increase the bulk or quantity of the final product. Wall's lawyer, Lawrence Cerf, Esq., of Houston, made all the right moves by calling an expert who testified that the non-steroid liquid (i.e., oils and/or water) and solid substances (tablet binders and fillers) in which the steroids were found were not adulterants or dilutants added to the steroids to increase the bulk. Rather, he stated that the non-steroid portions were simply carrying agents. The State, however, called its own expert who claimed that the non-steroid portions were added with the intent to increase the bulk. While reasonable for powdery substances like cocaine, where the black market quantity bought or sold inherently includes various cutting agents and fillers, such a claim seems inappropriate if not ludicrous for anabolic steroids.
Nevertheless, the jury - located in a county that sits on the pipeline of narcotics from Mexico and is known for heavy sentences in drug cases - bought the prosecution's arguments. In fact, Wall would have been sentenced to life in prison but for one holdout juror out of the twelve! On appeal [Wall v. Texas, 878 S.W.2d 686 (Tex. Crim. App. 1994)], Wall challenged the legality of the search warrant, but lost. The Court of Appeals of Texas rejected his argument that he was illegally detained until the warrant had been issued, holding that an arrest is legal when a driver lacks a valid driver's license. As to the quantity issue, the Court shrugged, claiming to be "jurists, not chemists." They affirmed the jury's conviction. A further appeal to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals was denied. While Wall was no choirboy, his harsh sentence was primarily based on the misapplication of traditional narcotics quantity concepts to anabolic steroids.

[GetnSwole]

What a dumb ass comment. How do you know what my assets are? Do you know If I have any children? Do you know what appt complex prices are in downtown houston?

You probably live in the basement of your parents house and the only stack of magazines bigger than your comic book collection is your porn collection.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

ok you win, happy now?

[Lavinco]

I posted an earlier thread about this. Just doing another to see if anyone has more information on this subject.

I recently found out that I am recieving my package by registered mail and I will have to sign for it. I am going to get a good look at my USPS guy today when he is putting the mail in the boxes at my appt complex to see what he looks like and find out his name. The package should be here in a week or two...If it is him I may accept it but if it is someone else I won't. But even if it is him...by signing for it...if it is a controlled delivery they still have my sig and can STILL GET me.

ANY input is good. It is coming from serbia...

Don't worry about it bro! I ordered from Thialand before and my gear came registered and the funny thing is, is that there was a different postman who delivered it that day. I signed for it anyways and never had a problem. My normal postman was just off sick that day.

Good luck.

BTW everyone, unless she's a whore then loose is spelled lose.

[JayCutler]

in future dont order it in your name order it in some one elses and when u sign if anything happens u didnt know what u was signing for .

[leansauce]

Blah, blah, blah. END OF YOU AND THIS THREAD!!!

its alright u can admit defeat
anyways yup it is the end of me and this thread buh bye

o and just in case u didnt realize