back injury rehab cycle

**MMA** · 12-18-2005, 04:46 PM

a very good friend of mine used to be quite an athlete, but has been suffering from a back injury (degenerative disc problem) for years, and is slowly becoming a shell of the man he once was.

has anyone had a similar problem and had any success solving it with juice?

deca had done wonders form my joint injuries, but does it have any effect on back (disc) injuries? even temporararily allowing him to work out, and build supporting muscles would be a tremendous help.

and a full spectrum attack, with all the resorces we now know about could have a real synergistic effect.

high dose deca/low dose test cycle

adequan to regenerate the cartilage.

igf1 to speed the heeling

dostinex to cut the deca sides (and become a sexual superman)

and of course HCG , femera, nolva, PCT etc.

i was going to put this together for him as a christmass present, before he turns into a bitter fat old man

**NYC BIG MIKE** · 12-18-2005, 04:57 PM

What makes you feel good is the fluids that the joints take on. A disc is a joint. Do the math. Go for it.

Edit: This of course depends on the severity of the disc problem.

**MMA** · 12-18-2005, 05:37 PM

any other thoughts

**Jack87** · 12-18-2005, 05:54 PM

Deca has worked great for me for joint problems, but I doubt it'll do
anything to help your friend for that condition...

My nephew has the same exact condition and has for years now...

He's been to see alot of back and spine specialist and there isn't
alot of options for a degenerative disc problem that he's found...
He use to train with me pretty heavy, but has given it up and
deals by using pain meds, has had not to many other options, he's
had the condition close to 10 years and it's just gotten worse...

One option he was gived was having 2 vertebrate fused together and
taking out what's left of the discs, but that was only a 50% chance
of getting rid of the pain, and even if it did work his range of motion
would effected for life...

He's been looking into a few new options over the holidays, I haven't
talked to him alot about the procedures yet, but he's more confident
with the specialist he's dealiong with now, some of the best in the
Mid Atlantic...

I can find out more if you want... He's been de****g with this close
to 10 years now... Nothing has worked, the discs just keep breaking
down...

**NYC BIG MIKE** · 12-18-2005, 06:02 PM

Read this about laminectomies......
http://www.spineuniverse.com/display...rticle545.html

**MMA** · 12-18-2005, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by buff87

Deca has worked great for me for joint problems, but I doubt it'll do
anything to help your friend for that condition...

My nephew has the same exact condition and has for years now...

He's been to see alot of back and spine specialist and there isn't
alot of options for a degenerative disc problem that he's found...
He use to train with me pretty heavy, but has given it up and
deals by using pain meds, has had not to many other options, he's
had the condition close to 10 years and it's just gotten worse...

One option he was gived was having 2 vertebrate fused together and
taking out what's left of the discs, but that was only a 50% chance
of getting rid of the pain, and even if it did work his range of motion
would effected for life...

He's been looking into a few new options over the holidays, I haven't
talked to him alot about the procedures yet, but he's more confident
with the specialist he's dealiong with now, some of the best in the
Mid Atlantic...

I can find out more if you want... He's been de****g with this close
to 10 years now... Nothing has worked, the discs just keep breaking
down...

has he ever tried deca for temporary relief? just a brief period allowing him to work out enough to build supporting muscles would be huge. and adequan is amazing at regenerating cartilage. and igf1 would only make these things work better. has he actually tried these things, or he just tried the conventional medecine stuff that has been shown to be frequently ineffective?

whats the worst that can happen - he does a cycle, mabe he benefits, maybe doesn't.

**Jack87** · 12-19-2005, 10:48 AM

He's never tried any anabolics... Has always been against them even
when I suggested it to him... He has been to see a number of specialists
over the years and all of them told him that anabolics wouldn't make a difference... The condition makes the disc's continue to break down, no
way of really stopping it... He's had this going on since he was 21 or 22

Far as I know from talking to him he's only tried the basics, anti-inflammatory
drugs and the like... I don't think he's tried adequan and I know he's never used anything like IGF-1

His dad (my brother-in-law) has the same condition, along with one of his
uncles on his dad's side... He was told it was more/less a genetic condition..

Problem is his discs are so far gone that he constantly has to deal with
nerve problems as there's little of 2 of his discs left in his spine...

He's still in pretty good shape, with the job he has he has to be, but the
pain from it for him only being 30 is terrible... Without meds to kill some of
the pain he has a hardtime doing just basic ED functions...

Originally Posted by MMA

has he ever tried deca for temporary relief? just a brief period allowing him to work out enough to build supporting muscles would be huge. and adequan is amazing at regenerating cartilage. and igf1 would only make these things work better. has he actually tried these things, or he just tried the conventional medecine stuff that has been shown to be frequently ineffective?

whats the worst that can happen - he does a cycle, mabe he benefits, maybe doesn't.

**NYC BIG MIKE** · 12-19-2005, 11:37 AM

Having competed in both bodybuilding and powerlifting in excess of 20 years, I have seen my fair share of degenerative disc problems (be they hereditary or exercise induced). Click the link in post #5 and learn something.