Low TEST low LH Low FSH

**sisga** · 01-10-2006, 09:10 PM

I completed an 8 week cycle of deca , Test enth. and Winstrol September last year, ie 3-4 months ago and used 3 shots 5000Ui HCG for PCT.

This was my second ever cycle.

quantities where:

Deca - 200, 200, 400, 400, 400, 400, 200, 200
Test - 250, 250, 500, 500, 500, 500, 250, 250
Winni- 0 , 0, 50 eod

I had my bloodwork done last week and the results are as follows:

Testosterone - 60 ng/dl (norm range 400 - 1080 ng/dl)
LH - 0.5 mU/ml (norm range 1.5 - 9.3)
FSH - 0.7 mIU/ml (norm range 1.4 - 14.6)
estrodiol - 23.1 pg/ml (norm range 18 - 67)

I have very low libido, depression but I still seem to be putting on good muscle.

Clearly my bloodwork is in the shit especially for a 32 year old.

How long does it take for normal levels to be restored?

Another problem is that I have never had blood work done for hormones prior to this, thus leaving me with no previous reference.

Any advice would be greately appreciated... I am really lost here.

**longhorn814** · 01-10-2006, 09:18 PM

i would get some clomid and run 100mg for 30 days (maybe longer) and get your blood work done again. BTW, 3 shots of HCG is a terrible PCT!

**sisga** · 01-10-2006, 09:24 PM

Is it normal for it to take so long? I have spoken to other AAS users who are fine after a short PCT.

**msu16366** · 01-10-2006, 09:25 PM

First off you didnt need to pyramid your AAS< that "old school way of juicing" is not the best way for you.
You should of done more research for planning your cycle and PCT<>
If I were you I would go back on cycle and come off right this time, but others may not agree.

**sisga** · 01-10-2006, 09:30 PM

My main concern now is wheather I have a permanent problem or not. Id love to get back on a cycle but first I want to make sure everything is in order.

**longhorn814** · 01-10-2006, 09:33 PM

yes it can take a long time especially since deca is one of the most supressive steroids there is, not to mention you really didnt even do PCT afterwards. Deca has been used to chemically castrate sex offenders due to its strong supression of the HTPA. HCG is more for preventing testicular atrophy than restarting natural test production. A good PCT is 100mg of clomid and 20mg nolva for 30 days, maybe longer depending on duration of cycle. Dont pyramid your doses either, that is old school and doesnt work that well.

**sisga** · 01-10-2006, 09:37 PM

What is your layout for a simmilar cycle without the piramid...

**956Vette** · 01-10-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by sisga

My main concern now is wheather I have a permanent problem or not. Id love to get back on a cycle but first I want to make sure everything is in order.

For the next six weeks i would do your proper pct and get more bloodwork done.

**longhorn814** · 01-10-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by sisga

What is your layout for a simmilar cycle without the piramid...

1-12 500mg/wk test e (split into two shots/wk, the same w/ deca )
1-11 400mg/wk deca
PCT start two weeks after last shot of test
14-18 PCT nolva & clomid

**longhorn814** · 01-10-2006, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by 956Vette

For the next six weeks i would do your proper pct and get more bloodwork done.

thats probably the best idea. Get back to normal first b/c if you go back on cycle, you can end up with permanent problems and may have to get on HRT

**sisga** · 01-10-2006, 09:51 PM

How do I know that I don't have permannent problems alraeady?

**longhorn814** · 01-10-2006, 09:53 PM

talk to an endocrinologist would probably be the best bet

**sisga** · 01-10-2006, 09:57 PM

thanks guys!!!

**956Vette** · 01-10-2006, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

talk to an endocrinologist would probably be the best bet

only thing he may do different is a pituitary mri or something...and i am pretty sure it will take awhile for him to get an appointment. so that is good advice

Continue with pct until you can get in with an endo and keep us posted!