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M.
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Originally Posted by vitor
Has it ever been proven that Milk Thistle will help de-tox the liver with aas use?

"Bill Roberts" said in one of hes interviews that it doesnt help anything as far as liver-toxity is concern
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Originally Posted by magic32
Okay, let’s go into some detail. Firstly, I’d never argue with a proven and established veteran like Bill Roberts, so let me begin by agreeing that clinical studies have indeed been anecdotal (mostly inconclusive with both positive, negative results), and below I’ll present some of the positive ones. Therefore, most of the support is from historical evidence and laboratory tests, which are highly positive. Let’s examine the aforementioned support:

HISTORICALLY
It's been used since ancient Greece, and closely associated with the health of the liver for centuries. This single factor is the bulk of it why it's used today. Quite simply things that don't work 'TEND' to fall out of favor over time, but this belief has endured. Arguably, so have many superstitions, so lets continue. Conditions including cirrhosis, viral and alcohol-induced hepatitis, and fatty infiltration of the liver have all shown improvement when treated with an extract of Milk Thistle. Even the poisons most dangerous to the liver, those contained in the Deathcap mushroom, can be effectively detoxified with Milk Thistle extract. (1)

FUNCTIONING
Milk Thistle yields three main active compounds known collectively as Silymarin, which work in a number of ways to restore liver health. Firstly, Silymarin inhibits the factors responsible for causing liver damage. As well, it increases the liver's content of a substance called glutathione which is responsible for detoxifying many chemicals, drugs and hormones. Silymarin also stimulates the growth of new liver cells so that damaged areas of the liver may be regenerated. (2)

REFERENCES
1. Pizzorno, J. & Murray, M. A Textbook of Natural Medicine, Volume II. John Bastyr College Publications, Seattle. (V:SilbM) 13, 1988.
2. Murray, M. The He****g Power of Herbs,
2nd Edition. Prima Publishing,
California. 244245, 1995.
3. Morazzoni, P. & Bombardelli, E. Fitoterapia, Volume LXVI. (1): 3334, 1995.
4. Murray, M. The He****g Power of Herbs, 2nd Edition. Prima Publishing, California. 244, 1995.
5. Ibid., 248.

LAB TESTING - NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE
http://www.cancer.gov/cancerinfo/pdq/cam/milkthistle

POSITIVE CLINICAL STUDY ABSTRACTS

(AN AAS SPECIFIC STUDY)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

I wouldn't say the evidence is overwhelming, because admittedly it isn't, but if Bill Roberts told me rice and seafood weren't good for me, I'd point to Asia. Similarly, in this case I have to point to history and lab tests, in the absence of significant research proof. So, Bill's the man, but if I'm using orals MT is in my arsenal.

M.