The Pro Cycles

[goose]

This guy is BIG and he is famous among you all, he has competed at a pro level and has won many shows and placed highly in the Olympic many times.
A mate met him a year ago and have kept in touch since and through him I have learnt a number of things, kind of like why things work to build muscles in a practical sense.


Below is a list of what drugs he uses and why he uses them split in to precontest or off season

PRE-CONTEST:

10-7 WEEKS OUT

250 mg sustanon per day

250 mg testopan (enanthate ) per day

1000 Deca Durabolin

Humatrope Growth Hormone , 6 units per, 6 times a day!! (Five times a week)

Long-Acting Insulin 100 units in the morning

Fast Acting insulin 25 units per meal (he is now to scared to eat without insulin)

Oxymethelone (whatever type he can get) 5x50mg tabs

300 mcg T3 per day

200-mcg clen (taken five days on 2 days off)

Nubain 5 ml a day, 3 times a week (supposedly to reduce the addictiveness)

Glucophage, taken before workouts, 4,000mg

He does do IGF-1 but he limits it to 4 week cycles as he believes that most of the research on this shows limited length of time of effectiveness. He will then follow this up with a 4-week break

80 mg fluxoetine (prozac) to help with the chemical imbalances and to assist him to keep stress from the drugs down

180 mg Ephedrine Hydrochloride, before workouts

2-6 WEEKS OUT:

4,000 mg Testosterone Propionate

2 vials of Masteron

2 vials of Parabolan

10 tabs of halotestin per day, before training

DNP for a week in weeks 6,4 and 2

Clenbuterol on alternating weeks at 400mcg per day

T3 400mcg per day

Nubain as above

Insulin as above

Growth Hormone 6 units 6 times per day

IGF-1 for the four weeks to week 2 at 100 mcg per day.

100mg of fluxoetine (prozac)

Ephedrine as above

I estimate the mg’s at somewhere around 6,500 to 7,000 mgs a week

WEEKS 2 AND FIRST HALF OF WEEK 1:

Same as above except the Nubain is dropped, as it is unnecessary, as well as the IGF-1 is dropped.

Also one extra ampoule of Parabolan and Masteron per day.

LAST THREE DAYS:

Uses neoton 500, creatine phosphate (its an injectable I believe) in his carb deplete/load, he was unspecific on dosages

Two days out he uses Lasix (still a favorite) 80 mg four times a day, for two days.

The newest thing out is a plasma expander, by the name of

Groenaut, apparently from Europe, this works much in the same way as Glycerol in that it drams water out from underneath the skin and into the muscle and bloodstream leaving a very dry full look if it is done correctly, of course as with high stakes bodybuilding there is that ever apparent degree of risk, the risk here is mixing a diuretic which dumps the water from the system and a drug that tries to pull the water in, if the effect is too great, the least that could happen is that you don’t fill out and you look flat, dry but flat, the worst well the drug tends to favor skeletal muscle over smooth cardiac muscle, hence you are then in shit street as your heart dehydrates, and cardiac arrest kicks in, (not the same thing as Momo, though).

There are a lot of other drugs that are used such as amphetamines to help blunt the appetite and to give him energy as he gets closer to a show, as his body fat drops down to below 5 percent, he tends to feel very ill and tired, he also uses a lot of immuno stimulating supplements so he doesn’t get sick, of course as he is wired from the amphetamines he has to use xanax, halicon and valium (rotated to reduce reliance on a certain drug supposedly).

On show day the use of insulin before going on stage to get the last bit of fullness and bring out his vascularity, (up close this guy has veins that an octopus would envy. Shooting 10 units I.V before going on but after any pumping up he does



goose4..

[marcus300]

goose be carefull posting such dosages, there are alot of beginnners around,

[Hellmaskbanned]

Would that be an ideal 2nd cycle?
Can I add dbol and winstrol to it?

















Nice post goose, interesting stuff!

[vein-x]

Hang on, I'm a little confused. You say he's a pro and won many shows, that part I follow. But he's been in the Olympics? I'm almost 100% sure that the Olympic drug testing protocol is soo strict you'd fail if you shot Deca 10 years ago (a slight exarggeration)

Not saying I don't believe you, because that's interesting stuff. I'm just a little confused how an IFBB pro could make a transition from an IFBB sanctioned event to the Olympics without not only drawing attention, but failing miserably to any drug test they may impose..

[Myka]

^probably olympia...

[Hellmaskbanned]

Hang on, I'm a little confused. You say he's a pro and won many shows, that part I follow. But he's been in the Olympics? I'm almost 100% sure that the Olympic drug testing protocol is soo strict you'd fail if you shot Deca 10 years ago (a slight exarggeration)

Not saying I don't believe you, because that's interesting stuff. I'm just a little confused how an IFBB pro could make a transition from an IFBB sanctioned event to the Olympics without not only drawing attention, but failing miserably to any drug test they may impose..

I think he meant Olympia , It's just the athletic spirit came out.

[Timm1704]

think he meant olympia matey

[cb25]

Would that be an ideal 2nd cycle?
Can I add dbol and winstrol to it?

only if you drink it...

interesting maybe...but even if it is true, i can't imagine *anything* being worth putting your body through that. no thanks...

[stocky121]

good post goose

i wouldn't like to try all that shit but saying that it ain't my proffesion

[goose]

goose be carefull posting such dosages, there are alot of beginnners around,

Very true,this is a newbie forum.People need to see the reality and be shocked.Known as reverse psychology,I have got to many PM`s of people wanting Competition cycles or pro cycle`s,truly absurd.I believe by giving the truth will evade this type of thinking.


goose4..

[METALMIKE]

nobody can handle this for along time, i think it's just a bunch of shit....

i compete and i don't have to take this amount of drugs to be in top shape the day of the contest....
i think that people are not so crazy... i hope...

diet, train , and genetics, this is what gonna make you huge,in shape, not all this shit in your body..... IMO, period!

mike.

[cb25]

i see it as encouraging irresponsible behavior. some 18yr old kid who thinks he's going to be the next mr. olympia is going to start using higher and higher doses b/c "the pros are doing it".

[Hellmaskbanned]

i see it as encouraging irresponsible behavior. some 18yr old kid who thinks he's going to be the next mr. olympia is going to start using higher and higher doses b/c "the pros are doing it".

If someone is that old and is that stupid, they deserve to get fvcked up.

[marcus300]

Very true,this is a newbie forum.People need to see the reality and be shocked.Known as reverse psychology ,I have got to many PM`s of people wanting Competition cycles or pro cycle`s,truly absurd.I believe by giving the truth will evade this type of thinking.


goose4..

psychology is not my subject, i just life weights

[Rolsroyce]

thats wild goose 100iu slin plus 25 per meal? wow 4000mg glucopage he must have the shits 24/7...

[johnsiegal]

ok....sign me up....lol....yeah baby...i can handle that shit!

[Rolsroyce]

IV slin, i dont know if I would say that out loud

[marcus300]

nubain = death wish

[cb25]

If someone is that old and is that stupid, they deserve to get fvcked up.

i don't think 18 is that old. i think most 18yr olds don't have a clue what they're doing in any area. when i was 18 i thought i knew it all, etc...granted i'm not that old now (mid 20s) but i look back and see a child who knew nothing.

the purpose of this site isn't to let idiots kill themselves and thin out the gene pool...one of the reasons AR is a good site is b/c we try to steer people away from making idiot decisions like that.

[Hellmaskbanned]

i don't think 18 is that old. i think most 18yr olds don't have a clue what they're doing in any area. when i was 18 i thought i knew it all, etc...granted i'm not that old now (mid 20s) but i look back and see a child who knew nothing.

the purpose of this site isn't to let idiots kill themselves and thin out the gene pool...one of the reasons AR is a good site is b/c we try to steer people away from making idiot decisions like that.

Yeah your right, there is alot of stupid ppl in the world regardless of age...

Damn, for a newbie to find and afford all that shit he's gotta be a rich mofo.

[cb25]

Yeah your right, there is alot of stupid ppl in the world regardless of age...

Damn, for a newbie to find and afford all that shit he's gotta be a rich mofo.

seriously...i could use some of that $$!!!

[Big Bapper]

Intresting post goose4, So what type of anti-es was he running.

[j martini]

WTF is with the insulin how does he prevent going hypo on that much slin while on a pre contest diet.

Did he elaborate on why he uses all these drugs in those combinations, why the GH 6 times a day etc.

I also see a lot of drugs that in my opinion are nothing more than recreational drugs nubain, prozac and amphetamines. I have heard a lot of pros are basically drug addicts, i guess when you start using drugs to improve your physique using other drugs is not such a big deal.

They also seem to try and convince themselves that they are only using the rec drugs to assist with bodybuilding like nubain to ease pain, prozac to reduce stress and amphetamines to blunt appetite i have even heard some people try to justify the use of cocaine pre workout. Im sorry but those excuses are just BS, I am currently 2 weeks out from a show i am stressed, starving and lacking energy but i dont feel the need to take all that crap i just deal with it, why cant he? They are not needed so he is an addict.

I have no problem with the other bodybuilding drugs they are necessary, however the recreational drugs are not, and it really pisses me off when they try to justify there use for bodybuilding purposes the only person there fooling is themselves.

[BeerBaron]

I couldn't fathom such ammounts of gear in my system, I think id explode. Thats enough gear to make him look like a synthol from the volume of it alone.

[Booz]

fvck nubain!!

[taiboxa]

fvck nubain!!

lol yeah nubain and prozac are bout the only things i dont do up there.

[velvetlion]

Sounds like one of the more extreme pro's. I was trained by a pro, granted he isn't a top pro, but he is a pro and he didn't take close to those doseages.

Not to say that either way is right or wrong. But I believe that you can sometimes do just as much on limited amounts if you are running everything properly. I believe that some of the pro's go for overkill because they have it available to them and they don't want to second guess themselves after the show.

Everyone's body reacts differently and I believe that if you run doseages like in this pro's cycle, you can really be restricting yourself in the future with nowhere else to go.

[taiboxa]

yeah i read that the pro's would run 10iuGH right before bed.. and he said he didnt know if it was any different from 5 or 6 but he didnt want to chance it.

[goose]

is not my subject, i just life weights

Well a guy of your standard and expertise,dont forget your Impressive experience and love for the sport,you don`t know it,but you are a master of psychology,well in my books for sure.The very Shocking truth is that half the MR Olympians use Nubian,this is the real horror in the sport.I know a guy addicted to Nubian,it changes your personality in a drastic manner.A very Evil substance,however,a very useful tool for the top 20,you can just lift and keep lifting all day.


goose4..

[oswaldosalcedo]

it look like munzer cycle.
500 mg test ed.
200 mg tren ed.
20-30 ius hgh ed.
a lot of slin and so on.

[Booz]

Well a guy of your standard and expertise,dont forget your Impressive experience and love for the sport,you don`t know it,but you are a master of psychology,well in my books for sure.The very Shocking truth is that half the MR Olympians use Nubian,this is the real horror in the sport.I know a guy addicted to Nubian,it changes your personality it a drastic manner.A very Evil substance,however,a very useful tool for the top 20,you can just lift and keep lifting all day.


goose4..

mate nubain is baaad shat!!a couple of close mates of mine used to mix it with certain substances and shoot it straight up at clubs!!fvcked em right up!!nasty shat!

[velvetlion]

Well a guy of your standard and expertise,dont forget your Impressive experience and love for the sport,you don`t know it,but you are a master of psychology,well in my books for sure.The very Shocking truth is that half the MR Olympians use Nubian,this is the real horror in the sport.I know a guy addicted to Nubian,it changes your personality it a drastic manner.A very Evil substance,however,a very useful tool for the top 20,you can just lift and keep lifting all day.


goose4..

Sorry to hijack the thread a bit Goose, but have you used Nubian? I never have and never plan to. It is not very predominant where I am at, but have always been curious as to the effectiveness, addictiveness, and side effects of it.

[taiboxa]

http://www.steroid.com/nubain.php

[daytrader]

GOOD LORD THATS A LOT OF DRUGS!!!!!!!! 4G's of test!

[velvetlion]

http://www.steroid.com/nubain.php

Thanks Tai, good info. I have read different articles on it, and they are all pretty similiar. Just wondering if anyone on here had some personal experience with it.

[goose]

Sorry to hijack the thread a bit Goose, but have you used Nubian? I never have and never plan to. It is not very predominant where I am at, but have always been curious as to the effectiveness, addictiveness, and side effects of it.

NO WAY,are you crazy.My post was very clear.Nubian is evil,and the real truth is it`s only worth if your in the top 20 in the world.Guess what,that means we will never need such a tool.Never!!!!


goose4..

[j martini]

NO WAY,are you crazy.My post was very clear.Nubian is evil,and the real truth is it`s only worth if your in the top 20 in the world.Guess what,that means we will never need such a tool.Never!!!!


goose4..

Even then its not worth it. Pro bodybuilders hardly make a fortune, only half a dozen might even make a living from it, not worth screwing up your life over.

[39.5Swamp]

This guy is BIG and he is famous among you all, he has competed at a pro level and has won many shows and placed highly in the Olympic many times.
A mate met him a year ago and have kept in touch since and through him I have learnt a number of things, kind of like why things work to build muscles in a practical sense.


Below is a list of what drugs he uses and why he uses them split in to precontest or off season

PRE-CONTEST:

10-7 WEEKS OUT

250 mg sustanon per day

250 mg testopan (enanthate ) per day

1000 Deca Durabolin

Humatrope Growth Hormone , 6 units per, 6 times a day!! (Five times a week)

Long-Acting Insulin 100 units in the morning

Fast Acting insulin 25 units per meal (he is now to scared to eat without insulin)

Oxymethelone (whatever type he can get) 5x50mg tabs

300 mcg T3 per day

200-mcg clen (taken five days on 2 days off)

Nubain 5 ml a day, 3 times a week (supposedly to reduce the addictiveness)

Glucophage, taken before workouts, 4,000mg

He does do IGF-1 but he limits it to 4 week cycles as he believes that most of the research on this shows limited length of time of effectiveness. He will then follow this up with a 4-week break

80 mg fluxoetine (prozac) to help with the chemical imbalances and to assist him to keep stress from the drugs down

180 mg Ephedrine Hydrochloride, before workouts

2-6 WEEKS OUT:

4,000 mg Testosterone Propionate

2 vials of Masteron

2 vials of Parabolan

10 tabs of halotestin per day, before training

DNP for a week in weeks 6,4 and 2

Clenbuterol on alternating weeks at 400mcg per day

T3 400mcg per day

Nubain as above

Insulin as above

Growth Hormone 6 units 6 times per day

IGF-1 for the four weeks to week 2 at 100 mcg per day.

100mg of fluxoetine (prozac)

Ephedrine as above

I estimate the mg’s at somewhere around 6,500 to 7,000 mgs a week

WEEKS 2 AND FIRST HALF OF WEEK 1:

Same as above except the Nubain is dropped, as it is unnecessary, as well as the IGF-1 is dropped.

Also one extra ampoule of Parabolan and Masteron per day.

LAST THREE DAYS:

Uses neoton 500, creatine phosphate (its an injectable I believe) in his carb deplete/load, he was unspecific on dosages

Two days out he uses Lasix (still a favorite) 80 mg four times a day, for two days.

The newest thing out is a plasma expander, by the name of

Groenaut, apparently from Europe, this works much in the same way as Glycerol in that it drams water out from underneath the skin and into the muscle and bloodstream leaving a very dry full look if it is done correctly, of course as with high stakes bodybuilding there is that ever apparent degree of risk, the risk here is mixing a diuretic which dumps the water from the system and a drug that tries to pull the water in, if the effect is too great, the least that could happen is that you don’t fill out and you look flat, dry but flat, the worst well the drug tends to favor skeletal muscle over smooth cardiac muscle, hence you are then in shit street as your heart dehydrates, and cardiac arrest kicks in, (not the same thing as Momo, though).

There are a lot of other drugs that are used such as amphetamines to help blunt the appetite and to give him energy as he gets closer to a show, as his body fat drops down to below 5 percent, he tends to feel very ill and tired, he also uses a lot of immuno stimulating supplements so he doesn’t get sick, of course as he is wired from the amphetamines he has to use xanax, halicon and valium (rotated to reduce reliance on a certain drug supposedly).

On show day the use of insulin before going on stage to get the last bit of fullness and bring out his vascularity, (up close this guy has veins that an octopus would envy. Shooting 10 units I.V before going on but after any pumping up he does



goose4..

I am doing the same thing for my first cycle.

[needbigguns]

interesting

[HUNTER1]

holy sh*t thats alot of drugs. Think how much $cheddar$ he is spending just in 10 weeks. Not to mention the fact that he must feel like a human pin cushion.