Cycling ONCE every 3 years = Gains like 1st Cycle?

[needbigguns]

If someone did there first cycle and made good gains (as they should expect to do so) then waited a long time, say 3-5 years without any further anabolics, then cycled again would there gans be similar to the first cycle or still very good ?

Or would the gains be no different from if he would of waited say 6 months After PCT from his first 10/12 week cycle...

[muscle_20]

what would be the point of cycling like that?!i am assuming this person would not be competing(unless you mean he competes in a drug free fed and cant be on around comp time)
why would you wana cycle unless you compete?!thats just stupid.
i would assume however yes you would make big gains this way....if you do it correctly you should make great gains on every cycle though.

[Timm1704]

what would be the point of cycling like that?!i am assuming this person would not be competing(unless you mean he competes in a drug free fed and cant be on around comp time)
why would you wana cycle unless you compete?!thats just stupid.
i would assume however yes you would make big gains this way....if you do it correctly you should make great gains on every cycle though.

think ul find that the majority on here dont actually compete. i dont, altho would like to compete just once to say ive experienced it, and to learn

[Iceman69]

No offense Muscle20, but your view is REALLY narrow minded.

[needbigguns]

No offense Muscle20, but your view is REALLY narrow minded.

I agree...Some guys including freinds of myn are happy to do one cycle just to bulk up, then wownt consider touching gear for months or years...Infact i bet its more common than people doing cycle after cycle for the average joes

[vitor]

The problem is that, if you want to have much more muscles than your body could hold natrually, you will need to cycle more often.

With normal hormone levels all gains over natrual-limit will be lost, in about 8-12months,(roughly speaking.) even if training and diet is spot on.

[muscle_20]

The problem is that, if you want to have much more muscles than your body could hold natrually, you will need to cycle more often.

With normal hormone levels all gains over natrual-limit will be lost, in about 8-12months,(roughly speaking.) even if training and diet is spot on.

exactly so whats the point in doing those cycles if your not doing some thing that cant be achieved naturally!

i didnt mean offence to any one BUT i see so many guys starting cycles just to be a little bigger and i just dont see the point in that and its usually these guys who run into problems when you compare to the competive athlete who is very knowlagable and his sport is his life.

[just_starting]

exactly so whats the point in doing those cycles if your not doing some thing that cant be achieved naturally!

I'm sure not the thing the original poster had in mind but for me, and a lot ot other older guys, AAS is useful for other purpose than to get bulked up. They are not anymore viewed only as bodybuilding drugs. That's why opinions like yours, plus the ones saying "there will be no benefits unless you do this and this much of it" are narrowed down to one goal only ignoring the other uses for it.

[Stackertoo]

To answer your original question, the gains would be similar to a first cycle if you wait that long.
At six months, I would think they would be close to the same.

[DEVLDOG]

To answer your original question, the gains would be similar to a first cycle if you wait that long.
At six months, I would think they would be close to the same.

and you know this how??

what would be the point of cycling like that?!i am assuming this person would not be competing(unless you mean he competes in a drug free fed and cant be on around comp time)
why would you wana cycle unless you compete?!thats just stupid.
i would assume however yes you would make big gains this way....if you do it correctly you should make great gains on every cycle though.

btw...I dont compete,and never had any desire too.99% of people who use AAS probably dont compete.and what does competing do to justify using gear if your not making a livin from it...so now the number probably goes to 99.99% of people who use gear shouldnt according to you.

I agree with the above post.."very narrow minded of you"

[needbigguns]

With normal hormone levels all gains over natrual-limit will be lost, in about 8-12months,(roughly speaking.) even if training and diet is spot on.

Is this true...???

[Stackertoo]

and you know this how??

EXPERIENCE with this shit. And the fact that downregulation of receptors is not a permanent thing. Now creating greater gains, or going from point B to point C will more than likely take more than point A to point B.
Simple physiology.

[DEVLDOG]

EXPERIENCE with this shit. And the fact that downregulation of receptors is not a permanent thing. Now creating greater gains, or going from point B to point C will more than likely take more than point A to point B.
Simple physiology.

by waiting so long btwn cycles you arent doing anything other then starting from square one again.anyone who has EXPERIENCE knows it takes continuous cycles to maintain and keep progressing...a waste of effort if you ask me to wiat so long between. without superphysiological doses of AAS it will not be possable to keep gains due to homiostasis.
Simple Physiology

[ThePhoenix]

EXPERIENCE with this shit. And the fact that downregulation of receptors is not a permanent thing. Now creating greater gains, or going from point B to point C will more than likely take more than point A to point B.
Simple physiology.

I was under the impression that the downregulation of receptor sites was myth anyway. Am I wrong or does AAS not create sattelite receptor sites thus upregulating recepters per se?
I could have just misread something though.

[Stackertoo]

by waiting so long btwn cycles you arent doing anything other then starting from square one again.

That is what I said. See the point A comment. It's obvious that this person does not mind starting at square one, if he's waiting 3 years. I never disagreed with you. You asked how I know this and did not realize I said the exact same thing.
And it's homeostasis.
Simple spelling

[Stackertoo]

I was under the impression that the downregulation of receptor sites was myth anyway. Am I wrong or does AAS not create sattelite receptor sites thus upregulating recepters per se?
I could have just misread something though.

It does happen, but it is not as severe as once thought.

[frank2738]

i was wondering, how would you classify someone who does one cycle every 3, 5, 7, etc. years? in other words, would u start your next cycle light like a first timer, or could you give yourself heavier dosages?

[Stackertoo]

I think you could start very light. And you will start from the beginning, or close to it, every time. Gains should be great while on, though.
Start light until it no longer works for you.

[DEVLDOG]

I was under the impression that the downregulation of receptor sites was myth anyway. Am I wrong or does AAS not create sattelite receptor sites thus upregulating recepters per se?
I could have just misread something though.

you are correct,steroid receptor sites are like any other cell in your body,they die off and rejuvinate about every 30 days or so. downregulation is an old school theory.

[stupidhippo]

besides androgen use has been shown to increase receptor sites. The ethiology of the plateau we hit during a cycle is still a mystery. There are some theories going around and there was a pretty good thread about it in here a while back.. Secondly I gotta agree with devildog here on other points too..

[magic32]

I agree...Some guys including freinds of myn are happy to do one cycle just to bulk up, then wownt consider touching gear for months or years...Infact i bet its more common than people doing cycle after cycle for the average joes

Sounds like a title idea for a good forum query!

M.