brother wants to do first cycle

**LX-1** · 03-21-2006, 05:53 PM

i am actually talking about my brother, not me. . .i was thinking about starting him on 50mg anavar 50mg tbol ed for 8-12 weeks, saving test for future cycles, sound good?

**MasterShake** · 03-21-2006, 05:57 PM

Why? Test alone is THE beginner cycle...

**hosam4ever** · 03-21-2006, 05:59 PM

whats his stats

**LX-1** · 03-21-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Why? Test alone is THE beginner cycle...

why not go with something more mild when first testing the waters? may as well save the stronger stuff like test for later on if you plan on being in this game for a long time.

**LX-1** · 03-21-2006, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by hosam4ever

whats his stats

6 feet tall, 230, fairly lean, maybe 12-15%bf, not sure, about 3 years training, 20 years old.

**MasterShake** · 03-21-2006, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by LX-1

why not go with something more mild when first testing the waters? may as well save the stronger stuff like test for later on if you plan on being in this game for a long time.

Not sure if var plus tbol for 8-12 weeks is "milder" than test e, but it is not as good for the liver, espescially for more than four weeks... Just my opinion...

**LX-1** · 03-21-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Not sure if var plus tbol for 8-12 weeks is "milder" than test e, but it is not as good for the liver, espescially for more than four weeks... Just my opinion...

i didnt think about this for some reason . . .i know anavar isnt 17 aa but is tbol?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 03-21-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by LX-1

i didnt think about this for some reason . . .i know anavar isnt 17 aa but is tbol?

They both are liver toxic.

**MasterShake** · 03-21-2006, 06:24 PM

This cycle would not be good to me because you would have to cut it short due to the liver toxicity, and they are both a little on the weak side as far as anabolic effect. Your bro sounds like a big dude from his stats. don't tease him with the shorter weaker more toxic all oral cycle. my opinion.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 03-21-2006, 06:24 PM

Why is your brother not the one on here getting info? He has you doing it LOL kinda pathetic. Anyways, 8-12 is to long to be on 2 orals, lower it to 6-8.
Test is best for size, tbol & var is great if suited for certain goals.

**MasterShake** · 03-21-2006, 06:27 PM

I would go with the first cycle in the "cycles for the newbie" section, and throw in four weeks of dbol as a frontload... Sorry, skip the dbol if you want to keep it simple and start it off light.

**rast4man** · 03-21-2006, 07:01 PM

The duration that you were thinking for orals is a bit too long for effectiveness as well as SLIGHTLY elevated liver values if you aren't supplementing with liver detox supps. People put WAY too much into liver hepatoxicity. Those same people need to go to PubMed and read some hepatoxicity articles on oral steroids .

Do like an idiot, get results like an idiot.
Do like a smart man, get smart results.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 03-21-2006, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by rast4man

The duration that you were thinking for orals is a bit too long for effectiveness as well as SLIGHTLY elevated liver values if you aren't supplementing with liver detox supps. People put WAY too much into liver hepatoxicity. Those same people need to go to PubMed and read some hepatoxicity articles on oral steroids .

Do like an idiot, get results like an idiot.
Do like a smart man, get smart results.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ What does that mean exactly?

**LX-1** · 03-22-2006, 03:21 AM

what would be a good cycle without test then? maybe primo??

**LX-1** · 03-22-2006, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Why is your brother not the one on here getting info? He has you doing it LOL kinda pathetic. Anyways, 8-12 is to long to be on 2 orals, lower it to 6-8.
Test is best for size, tbol & var is great if suited for certain goals.

im just helping him come up with a cycle, looking for some input here.