4 Week, Heavy

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 09:32 AM

well turns out my previous cycle plan ended up costing to much money, so I have changed it to a 4 week, heavy cycle with prop, tren a, and dbol .

goes like this:

Week 1-4 Test Prop @ 150mg ed (day 1 - 300mg frontload)
Week 1-4 Tren A @ 100mg ed (day 1 - 200mg frontload)
Week 1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ed
Week 2-5 Nolva @ 20mg ed
Week 1,2,3 HCG @ 500iu/wk
Week 5 Clomid @ 300mg day 1, 200mg day 2, and 100mg for 10 days and the n50mg ed for 10 days until sex drive is back

feedback????? Booz, Marcus, and Jayhova....Let me hear it bros!

**heavyrotation92** · 03-22-2006, 09:38 AM

I think the vets are going to ask you what you pre cycle plans are, ie; dieting down then bouncing back on, etc.

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 09:41 AM

already priming the body bro.......I am following a thread by marcus and just wanted him to review this cycle and get some feedback....

**heavyrotation92** · 03-22-2006, 09:45 AM

cool, i wasnt sure if you were or not.

to me it looks fine.

be sure to let us know how it goes because there is a lot of speculation on those short n heavy's

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 09:52 AM

not a problem, i plan on keeping a strict detailed log from day 1 - 30

***SPIKE*** · 03-22-2006, 09:53 AM

You really think you're ready for 200mgs of Tren ED then 100??

I really liked the last cycle.

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 09:57 AM

i know, me too, but I am sending you a PM on something. I like the other one, but if you can clarify something for me, I will go with it. Just trying to keep the cost down.....check ur pm jay.....thanks bro.

**Booz** · 03-22-2006, 10:01 AM

to be perfectly honest Lift i have not run the short cycles that marcus has but have spoken to him extensively on the subject.....will be running one early next year..............i know i have spoken to you via pm about variouse things but the doseages are normal doseages for 10-12 week cutting cycles to me..................is this high to you?i dont really like to discuss doses on these things openly but would advise you to talk to Marcus via pm's..........

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 10:03 AM

I know that those dosages are peewee compared to what is supposed to be run according to his theory. I say try it out and see how it goes.
With the dosages you mentioned you could easily run it 6-8wks.

***SPIKE*** · 03-22-2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

With the dosages you mentioned you could easily run it 6-8wks.

Seems to me that $$ is the issue on not running it longer IBD.

Lift, PM sent back...........

***BajanBastard*** · 03-22-2006, 10:07 AM

I don't think that's very 'heavy' bro. 200mg prop and 150mg tren would be better imho. I tried an insane dose of prop a few wks ago (400mg ed) and by day 3-4 i felt like a god. The sides were: one night after going to the gym and 45 mins of cardio i felt like my body temp was minus 5, with flu-like symptoms but BY FAR the worst side was the damn hunger!! I would eat a full meal and 30 mins later i felt like i was going to die from starvation. On the 11th day it got so bad a started to feel sick all the time from being hungry although i was eating every 1.5-2 hours so i had to stop.

**Booz** · 03-22-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I know that those dosages are peewee compared to what is supposed to be run according to his theory. I say try it out and see how it goes.
With the dosages you mentioned you could easily run it 6-8wks.

i agree with this.....but are these doses high for you mate...do yourself a favour and pm marcus...i have asked him to take a peek in here.....

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Jayhova

Seems to me that $$ is the issue on not running it longer IBD.

Lift, PM sent back...........

He should wait a while until you can afford the rest of the cycle IMO. If he can't afford such a small cycle as this, how will he afford the food that is needed to go along with it? JMO.

***SPIKE*** · 03-22-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

how will he afford the food that is needed to go along with it?

You'd be surprise some of the deals these "all you can eat" restaurants have to offer. Sneak a few chicken legs out the back door and the kid is golden.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 10:21 AM

lol, my grocery bill was close to 800$ last month. That's a lot of buffets.

Back to this question...

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 10:39 AM

ok. After dicussing this with my 'go to guy' (clears throat).....he convinced me to go with my original cycle and splurge the extra cash to get it all. I'm sure my gains will be better and also, retaining more than the 4 weeker.

here is the original cycle once again:

Week 1-10 Test E @ 1000mg
Week 1-10 Equipoise @ 600mg
Week 1-8 Tren Acetate @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
Week 1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ed
Week 8-12 Masteron @ 100mg eod
Week 8-12 HCG 500iu E3D (Stop it right before you start the Clomid)

As far as PCT here's what I would do is I were you LH, it will start 3 days after your last Mast injection:

Run Nolva/Prov throughout the entire cycle (50mg Pro & 20mgs Nolva)

PCT:
Day 1 300mgs Clomid
Day 2 200mgs Clomid
Day 3 100mg Clomid for 10 days Then 50mgs for 10 days makign this 3 weeks total

20mgs Nolv and 2g Trib from day of PCT until sex drive is back, will typically be 2 weeks after you stopped the Clomid give or take.

Clen throughout the entire PCT for 3 weeks or so. No need for Benadryl or Keto b/c you wont be on it long enough in order for downregulation to be a factor

thanks to jayhova for his help and guidance and convincing

.....i will keep a log as to the cycle, sides, gains, etc.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 10:41 AM

Looks good, but I'd drop the masteron and run the Tren all the way through at 75-100mg/day.

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 10:50 AM

i want to keep the masteron since i am at 8% bf, it will benefit me at the bf%

(stats again are age 34, 230lbs, 6'3", 8%bf)

***SPIKE*** · 03-22-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Looks good, but I'd drop the masteron and run the Tren all the way through at 75-100mg/day.

The ONLY reason I dont like the Tren all the way through BD (I'm sure you know what I'm going to say) is due to recovery. The ability to recover efficently and quickly off Tren is very difficult if you run it to the end. Giving yourself a couple of weeks with running the test past it will make a world of a difference.

I see too many people complaining about recovery. Then when you ask them what they were taking they say they ran Tren til the end. I'd play it safe and run it the way its lined up. Cut the Tren and run the Mast for 4 weeks then start PCT right after that. A quick 4 weeks of Mast will really harden you up if your BF% is low enough. By telling from you Avatar I"m sure it will be LH.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 10:54 AM

Question is do you think you'll stay at 8% by wk 8 considering you have 1g Test and Dbol through week 4

Not saying you won't but I thought the same thing and ended up dropping the masteron for Winny.

**Booz** · 03-22-2006, 11:02 AM

i would extend the cycle imo mate.......i would not run eq any less than 12 weeks,so the test should go to 13 weeks.................

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 11:11 AM

Then you could run the Tren for two or three more weeks

lol

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 11:13 AM

Just reading all the posts and towards the you change you mind and totaly change the cycle,,,oh well should of been here earlier.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 11:27 AM

I think many ppl are affraid to try the short cycling because they don't think it will produce the same gains and don't want to put their body through it for nothing.
Me, I've got to try it and see how it works.
May change my way of cycling forever or I may completely hate it, one way to find out.

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I think many ppl are affraid to try the short cycling because they don't think it will produce the same gains and don't want to put their body through it for nothing.
Me, I've got to try it and see how it works.
May change my way of cycling forever or I may completely hate it, one way to find out.

Short cycling does work without doubt, now there are many different ways of short cycling novice to the advanced, if the right tools for the job are implemented a short cycle can produce the same gains as any long cycle, the body doesnt keep on growing for weeks on end, it only grows in short spurts, use the correct methods and try one thats the only way to find out if they work for you.

Safer, recovery faster, huge gains,

Marcus

**vitor** · 03-22-2006, 11:42 AM

I liked the 4-week cycle much better.

Yust because someone is going to run a short cycle doesnt mean they have to run crazy-dosages. That depends how anvanced you are.

150mgs prop, 100mgs tren , 50mgs d-bol would produce greate gains for someone who isnt, atleast 30 pounds over hes genetic limit.

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 12:00 PM

if i want to run a 4 week short cycle with prop, tren a, and dbol ....what would be typical short cycle doses with these compounds?

would this be more like the correct way?

prop at 300mg ed
tren a at 150mg ed
dbol at 50mg ed

?????????????

thanks marcus

p.s. stats are age 34, bf 8%, 230lbs, 6'3", 7 cycles under belt, all 10+ weeks, all high dosed

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by lifthard2005

if i want to run a 4 week short cycle with prop, tren a, and dbol ....what would be typical short cycle doses with these compounds?

would this be more like the correct way?

prop at 300mg ed
tren a at 150mg ed
dbol at 50mg ed

?????????????

thanks marcus

p.s. stats are age 34, bf 8%, 230lbs, 6'3", 7 cycles under belt, all 10+ weeks, all high dosed

What type of short cycle are you looking to run? is it a heavy one or just normal short cycle?

What was your highest amount of test you ran in the 7 cycles you have done?

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 12:07 PM

highest test was 1.5g

i want a short cycle that will produce great size gains and maintain them as well after the 30 days....so i guess heavy mate.

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by lifthard2005

highest test was 1.5g

i want a short cycle that will produce great size gains and maintain them as well after the 30 days....so i guess heavy mate.

Well the first cycle you posted i dont call that heavy with your history, nothing really wrong with the cycle but isnt heavy.

To make short cycles work weather heavy or light you have to make sure you have everything in place before you start, you have to be mental ready for the intense training and eating also the priming of the body is a very important part of any short cycle for quality gains, remember you have to be like this for only 30 days so its pratical to do and capable.

I will pm you some dosages, wouldnt want to post them here incase newbies are reading.

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 12:36 PM

I wouldnt use dbol in any short heavy cycle, pm on the way

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 01:15 PM

regarding tren acetate, is it that big of a deal/difference from shooting 50mg ed to 100mg eod?

if so, why? cuz wouldnt the 100mg be active for the 2 days when the next 100mg gets shot?

i could see 50mg eod not working, but 100mg?

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 01:19 PM

have you use tren in the past?

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 01:23 PM

What would the calorie intake need to look like on a 30day burst cycle?

LH, I prefered running TrenA ED because it keep the sides at a minimum. 50mg/day is a pretty low dose so you'd be fine, but I have a feeling after marcus's PM you may change a few things.

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

What would the calorie intake need to look like on a 30day burst cycle? .

its a 24hr commitment when on a short heavy cycle, depends how many calories your on your normal diet, but it would be as much as possible of clean calories.

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 01:41 PM

ive run tren a and trinabol as well.

i got a little crazy with the tren before. for a few weeks i was shooting 300mg of trinabol eod......

so i have used, i know what it can do for gains and sides.....

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 02:05 PM

bump

**IBdmfkr** · 03-22-2006, 02:41 PM

What BF are you in that pic LH?

**marcus300** · 03-22-2006, 02:50 PM

if you have used tren before stick it in the cycle.

**lifthard2005** · 03-22-2006, 03:28 PM

in that pic i was 9%......im 8 now.....

thats one thing i love about my height, is i can run mass cycles and end up looking very cut and defined in the end......i rarely try and cut, it just happens with me. very lucky i guess.......

i still did not get a straight answer on the 50mg ed or 100mg eod being a huge difference or not.....anyone?