((Erythropoietin))

[goose]

A simple number of question`s:

I have heard Erythropoietin gives an anabolic effect,is this true?

How is Recovery with Erythropoietin? I hear it can`t be beat

Anyone who has used Erythropoietin please share your Expereince?


THANKS....

[guns626]

Interesting, it would seem that this would have absolutley no anabolic effects due to the fact that all this drug does is stimulate the production of RBCs. I see no use for this drug unless you are into some type of endurance sport. I will be interested to see what the replies say. I drew my conclusion based on common sense not anything else. I am not knocking anyone considering using this compound, I just do not see the applications

[C_Bino]

Interesting, it would seem that this would have absolutley no anabolic effects due to the fact that all this drug does is stimulate the production of RBCs. I see no use for this drug unless you are into some type of endurance sport. I will be interested to see what the replies say. I drew my conclusion based on common sense not anything else. I am not knocking anyone considering using this compound, I just do not see the applications

I agree, I have not looked into this drug much AT ALL, so my opinion wont mean much but at least bump it for Goose. Increasing oxygen load will help with endurance for sure, it will also help stave off anemia, which would be beneficial if you are a vegetarian who bodybuilds, or anyone else into high physical activity who cant take a lot of protein. But I really dont see a great impact with using it for bodybuilding. Interesting drug though.

[goose]

This is from Patrick Arnold

`In addition to increasing aerobic efficiency through greater oxygen transport in the blood, there is some evidence suggesting EPO may also have anabolic effects. EPO has been shown in rat studies to substantially increase weight gain and injury repair after surgery. Furthermore, EPO receptors are present on myoblasts (immature muscle cell progenitors) and may have a potential in muscle development and repair`

well the mistake of many people is that they are looking for drugs that make them grow only,one of the most important things is recovery,ask any honest guy that uses slin,Do you notice any recovery with slin? The answer will be I guess so...meaning not much and does nothing for size...not the case with EPO...you realy notice something,and quite safe if you know what your doing, safer than slin....

[C_Bino]

Interesting, hopefully some other people have info on this and personal experience to share.

[Pete789]

i have only just ordered some- i'll be sureto let you know.

[doghunter]

it dose not have any anabolic effect it has an unmatched preformance effect so in some light you would be able to train much harder and recover much faster , you load this product and its supposed to stay active for 3-6mo .

[G-1000]

IMO It is was wast of money and not going to do much for you.

[rawdog]

it has no anabolic effect, but your recovery, and endurance will be through the roof.
if you want to try it you need to research it like you've never heard of any gear before. also invest in a zip-o-crit so you can check your hematocrit often. you don't want your heart to pump sludge.

[cyclist2173]

I have used it before. You can do a search on EPO and read my comments, because I do not want to repeat myself.

That being said....decreased recovery time is the main benefit (to BodyBuilders)and little to no side effects (IF USED CORRECTLY). Most people on this board are only interested in Anaerobic activity and with such you will not see a direct anaerobic performance benefit from EPO. However, the decreased recovery time may help you guys lift more often and therefore.....

Also, for the gentlemen that said it was expensive...not necessarilly so. When I used it, I paid $780 for 99,000 units. This should last for a whole year at least (you should only do 2 cycles per year and the effect last for a good 3 months due to the RBC life cycle).

[pin cushion]

Cyclist, have you read the EPO description or profile of it from the home page of steroid .com where it says take it all within 2 weeks (AND THEN ONLY ABOUT 14000iu in total) and that's it for six months? I know i've asked you a few questions before on epo and wondered if you thought the amounts suggested on the profile would affect my endurance at all. It doesn't even say that you need any maintenance dose either?

[cyclist2173]

Cyclist, have you read the EPO description or profile of it from the home page of steroid.com where it says take it all within 2 weeks (AND THEN ONLY ABOUT 14000iu in total) and that's it for six months? I know i've asked you a few questions before on epo and wondered if you thought the amounts suggested on the profile would affect my endurance at all. It doesn't even say that you need any maintenance dose either?

They are somewhat correct. But the individual that sugessted this probably has NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

That being said, I would consider 14,000 IU the minimum intial dose to get the ball rolling. This all depends on your genetics, sensitivity, established HC level, etc;

Now, I believe the typical RBC lives for about 3-4 months...not 6 months. This throws into question their claim of 14K IU being good for 6 months already, since the RBC that you created will all be gone for a couple months before the 6 month period is up. Based upon this you should be able to conservatively do two cycles in that 6 month time frame and still have a high HC/RBC for the entire time period. The deal is like I said before everyone is different. For me, I am a little on the low side (HC level) to begin with and my receptors may not be the most sensitive. I have found that I need to do more like 21k IU- 28k IU each cycle.

Now, as for the maintenance dose....In theory you shouldn't need one for the 3 month time frame due to typical RBC lifespan. However, all professional cyclist I know do a maintenance dose once weekly.

That being said....it is imperative that you get a HC level check prior to determining approximate dosing and then getting a second test done while you are on to see how your responding. It is not the same as our beloved AAS, where you check blood simply for health concerns and not to determine optimimum dosage.

[guns626]

Interesting read cyclist, thanks

[cyclist2173]

Interesting read cyclist, thanks

No sweat.

[mSHY8]

Typically starting dose for EPO for an endurance athlete would be 4,000iu 3x/week (65kg athlete) followed by maintenance doses. However, red blood cycle production that is augmented by EPO use will return to normal one week after discontinuation of treatment, and hematocrit should return to normal 4 weeks after discontinuation w/ subsequent loss of performance enhacing effects as the exogenous-EPO-produced red blood cells die off.

[doittoit]

I've been tempted to try it. I've heard dorian and munzer used it, and their conditioning well........From endurence athletes that have used it they said the recovery aspect was simply amazing, how could this not help?

[taiboxa]

so if i run tren year round and have high blood pressure.. will this kill me

[Ironman06]

4000iu will raise a 175lb male's HC approx 1/3 of 1 point. Every source I've spoken with reccommends a MAX HC of 50. Most people are 40 to 45. As stated above RESEARCH this one because EPO plus lots of things including dehydration and high BP = very very bad.