Planning Next Cycle: Advice and Critique Needed!

**Boricua Pump** · 04-16-2006, 01:10 AM

Hello fellow lifters/bodybuilders.

Here is my stats:
Age: 22
Cycles: 1 Completed and on second now (Test E 12 Week + DBOL kickstart; same as first)
Workouts: 5 days a week
Weight: 200 lbs 7% bodyfat
Reason I Use: College baseball
Goals For Next Cycle: Increase Strength, Gain Good Muscle Mass (but stay lean at same time), and perhaps increase speed and jumping.

As for the cycle I am planning it to run 16 weeks. Here is what I am thinking:

Test Prop (@ 100mg ED) and Tren Acetate (@ 75mg ED) for Weeks 1-4
Testosterone Enanthate (@750mg/week) for Weeks 1-16
Winstrol (@ 50mg ED; oral) for weeks 10-16
Letrozole for weeks 1-20
PCT: Weeks 20-24

Please let me know what you experienced users think and also what I should throw in the mix or remove to attain my goals. I'm also thinking about DBOL for the kickstart, but not sure since this is the first time I will be using prop or tren. Is there anything I can add towards the end to help make gains solid (of course diet and training and rest are key). Also (although I posted it below I'll add it here for all to read) what do you think about Deca replacing something here or being added to the combination? If you think I should keep it down to 3 or 4 chemicals let me know. Lastly, I want to know if there is any AAS that has the ability to greatly increase your appetite, I could definately use that.

Thanks!

**Boricua Pump** · 04-16-2006, 01:40 AM

Also, would Deca be any good in this cycle?

**01dragonslayer** · 04-16-2006, 07:05 AM

No need for a dbol kick start if your gonna do the same with prop...one or the other. Tren for 4wks???...nah...should be ran for 8wks. It would be a good addition to this cycle but not along side deca ...too much of a chance of prolactin induced gyno. Toward the end....winstrol or var to help harden you up and solidify gains...6 or 8wks respectively ran right up to PCT clomid. EQ is awesome for increasing appetite but no your getting into too many hormones.

**Boricua Pump** · 04-16-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer

No need for a dbol kick start if your gonna do the same with prop...one or the other. Tren for 4wks???...nah...should be ran for 8wks. It would be a good addition to this cycle but not along side deca...too much of a chance of prolactin induced gyno. Toward the end....winstrol or var to help harden you up and solidify gains...6 or 8wks respectively ran right up to PCT clomid. EQ is awesome for increasing appetite but no your getting into too many hormones.

Ok man. This helped alot. So I'll be going Test E, Tren A, Test Prop, and Winstrol .

Thanks bro!

**Boricua Pump** · 04-16-2006, 12:45 PM

Btw, you mentioned no need for dbol if I have prop in there? is prop a better kickstart than dbol?

**taiboxa** · 04-16-2006, 02:41 PM

LoL at speed and jumping from tren
i would NOT run tren in this cycle
i would use either Var, OT, deca or EQ w/ test and thats it.
especially if u run tren for only 4 weeks i would complete advise against this.
just stick w/ prop and ot/var or testE and deca/eq

**Boricua Pump** · 04-16-2006, 03:40 PM

Well one of the goals was perhaps increase speed and jumping, is this totally impossible from tren ?

Also is NPP considered slow-release prop? Phenylprop that is. Please advise.

**taiboxa** · 04-16-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boricua Pump

Well one of the goals was perhaps increase speed and jumping, is this totally impossible from tren ?

Also is NPP considered slow-release prop? Phenylprop that is. Please advise.

NPP is nandrolone phenylprop which is a 4day active life ester rather than a 3day like prop .. so i guess u cuold say slow LOL ... pesonally i think you have much research to do before you start making a cycle w/ a variety of compounds.

you should just pick two for the time being .. personaly for an athelete i would go w/ prop var.

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**01dragonslayer** · 04-17-2006, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Boricua Pump

Btw, you mentioned no need for dbol if I have prop in there? is prop a better kickstart than dbol?

IMO...yes. I personally don't like dbol only because 95% of gains is from water and you'll be lucky be to keep half of the other 5%.

**01dragonslayer** · 04-17-2006, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Boricua Pump

Well one of the goals was perhaps increase speed and jumping, is this totally impossible from tren?

I love tren and will include it into all my future cycle. Coupled with prop it is absoltely awesome for lean mass gains. You hold very little water with tren and its one of the very few hormones that will actually burn fat.

I personally don't like deca in this cycle because its more of a mass building AS. If your trying to stay lean....IMO its not the better option as well as holding more water with deca.