Help A Bratha-suggested Cycle

**SMAN12b** · 04-21-2006, 01:28 PM

STATS= 41 years old, weight training for 20+ years , competed in bodybuilding for 2 years, 3 light cycles 5 years ago consisting of Test, Sust, Primo. Not all at the same time though!!! 5'11", 220#, 17%BF Training 4-5 days/week heavy weights light to no real cardio. Diet is not strict with the exception of eating 6 times/day but watching to not eat junk!! Lots of steak!!

My very experienced training partner who is competing in two weeks, gave me the following cycle suggestion for my 4th cycle. I would like to get the opinion of the pros here on what they think of it. I will of coarse have ALL PCT's on hand (HCG , Nov, Clomid) but just needed opinion on the juice itself for a cycle to get hard and then cut.
Thanks for the help!!
He said it woudl OVERLAP like this:

week 1-3 600mg/wk of Deca
week 4 300mg of Deca
week 5 300mg/ Deca and 150mg of Tren (overlap)
week 6-7 150mg/wk Tren
week 8-9 75mg/wk Tren and 500mg/wk Test Cyp (overlap)
week 10-11 500mg/wk Test Cyp
week 12-13 250mg/wk Test Cyp
THEN PCT's

**Booz** · 04-21-2006, 01:49 PM

sorry bro but that is imo a very badly laid out cycle....................

**farrebarre** · 04-21-2006, 01:50 PM

5 weeks on deca and 3 weeks on test, just a waste imo, it takes about 6-7 weeks for the test to kick in and deca about 5-6 weeks, and if u run deca alone in the beginning u would get deca dick..
never used tren so i dunno anything about it..
ill leave the rest for the pros
good luck bro

**1buffsob** · 04-21-2006, 01:57 PM

That's horrific bro. Makes no sense whatsoever.

1buffsob

**SMAN12b** · 04-21-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

sorry bro but that is imo a very badly laid out cycle....................

THANKS BOOZ, I wasn't feelin it as a good cycle, but wanted to see what you guys thought.
If you can elaborate on the reasons it sucks, I will be able to put together a better plan. I do have all three in 10ml vials so I can save em or use em elsewhere.

THanks again!!

**LatinoPR** · 04-21-2006, 02:04 PM

Can you tell us...what's youre goal in this cycle...what youre looking for ???
We need more info...!

**SMAN12b** · 04-21-2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

5 weeks on deca and 3 weeks on test, just a waste imo, it takes about 6-7 weeks for the test to kick in and deca about 5-6 weeks, and if u run deca alone in the beginning u would get deca dick..
never used tren so i dunno anything about it..
ill leave the rest for the pros
good luck bro

Farrebarre, not sure if you read the post right. It would be the first 5 weeks on Deca 600 for hte first 3 then 300 for the second 3 weeks. Then tren for 5 weeks overlapping a week on the Deca, then The test for the final 6 weeks overlapping the tren for 2 weeks.

But I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the help

**SMAN12b** · 04-21-2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by LatinoPR

Can you tell us...what's youre goal in this cycle...what youre looking for ???
We need more info...!

THANKS ! My Stats are in the original post and it also says that I am looking just to get a little harder and more cut. Nothing too heavy as far as wanting to gain mass. I am 220 now with 17%BF would be happy being 205-210 with 10-12%BF
THANKS AGAIN

**Booz** · 04-21-2006, 02:26 PM

the compounds that you want to use are not bein ran long enuff and is all higgledypiggledy and jumbled..............
if you are looking for hardness make sure to sort your diet out and hit the cardio mate....spec if you wanna cut some bf.......
i would stick to test and tren ,leave out the deca ......imo run somethin like this.....
1-12 5-600mg cyp
1-10 75mg ed tren a
you could throw in some winny at the end if you wanted...
do you know how to run pct?

**1buffsob** · 04-21-2006, 02:31 PM

LMAO @ Booz's "higgledypiggledy"

1buffsob

**SMAN12b** · 04-21-2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

the compounds that you want to use are not bein ran long enuff and is all higgledypiggledy and jumbled..............
if you are looking for hardness make sure to sort your diet out and hit the cardio mate....spec if you wanna cut some bf.......
i would stick to test and tren ,leave out the deca ......imo run somethin like this.....
1-12 5-600mg cyp
1-10 75mg ed tren a
you could throw in some winny at the end if you wanted...
do you know how to run pct?

YEP PCT's are in order but I do like your cycle outlined above much better than my trainer's "overlapping" theory!! I know I need to run PCT, just not sure of amounts and when to start like HCG throughout cycle or just at end and Noval during whole cycle or just at end and clomid

**Booz** · 04-21-2006, 03:01 PM

when running tren or deca i will always run hcg throughout the cycle as tren/deca will shut you down hard...i run 300iu eod throughout..others run 500iu every 3-4 days..
b6 is also a good idea to run during the use of tren..200mg ed
you can run nolva at 10mg ed throughout your cycle if you want..however i would not personally unless you showed sighns of bloat...soon as you take the last cyp inj start 20mg ed nolva and run this throughout your pct,18 days after the last cyp shot you commence with the clomid therapy...
you can if wish run a week of hcg 500iu ed between the last cyp shot finishin it 3 days before the start of your clomid..
as for clomid i would run
day 1 200mg
day 2-14 100mg
day 15-30 50mg,you may continue with 50mg clomid and your nolva till you feel back to normal..

**SMAN12b** · 04-21-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

when running tren or deca i will always run hcg throughout the cycle as tren/deca will shut you down hard...i run 300iu eod throughout..others run 500iu every 3-4 days..
b6 is also a good idea to run during the use of tren..200mg ed
you can run nolva at 10mg ed throughout your cycle if you want..however i would not personally unless you showed sighns of bloat...soon as you take the last cyp inj start 20mg ed nolva and run this throughout your pct,18 days after the last cyp shot you commence with the clomid therapy...
you can if wish run a week of hcg 500iu ed between the last cyp shot finishin it 3 days before the start of your clomid..
as for clomid i would run
day 1 200mg
day 2-14 100mg
day 15-30 50mg,you may continue with 50mg clomid and your nolva till you feel back to normal..

BOOZ, What can I say??? YOU ARE THE MAN !!!